Should iLvL below Mythic Raiding Max out BELOW Mythic Base?

[Jaylock]

So the intent of the Warforge / Titanforge system was to give players the ability to perhaps find an upgrade from doing ANY type of content, whether it be WQ, Dungeons, Mythic Dungeons, LFR, Raids all the way up to Mythic.

The system as it stands now kind of devalues the higher raiding echelons especially with how frequently an item can warforge / titanforge.

Could the system be changed to still give players who don't do the highest difficulty / highest form of content the feeling that they can get an upgrade from any source of content that THEY do, without it feeling like a penalty?

So for example, lets say the warforge / titanforge system will allow ANY content below Mythic raiding (and a certain tier of Mythic+ dungeons) to be able to titanforge up to ilvl 895. But if you then participate in high level mythic+ dungeons, or Mythic raiding, the gear then starts at a base ilvl of 900 and can titanforge up to 925.

With this change, it would still feel to all players (even mythic raiders) that they can find upgrades for their character from any source, but also leaves incentive for people to really push into higher end challenging content, because if a mythic raider really wants better gear, then he has to be in mythic raiding to do so, and it rewards him accordingly as he kills bosses there.

Of course with each new tier of content the ilvl will be raised to match the tier, so the max ilvl titanforge below mythic Tomb would be raised to 5 ilvls below mythic tomb gear.

[Darsithis]

the system as it stands now kind of devalues the higher raiding echelons especially with how frequently an item can warforge / titanforge.

No it doesn't. That's just bullshit. If your self-esteem really hinges on whether or not other people have gear that has a similar item level to yours, that's your problem.

With this change, it would still feel to all players (even mythic raiders) that they can find upgrades for their character from any source, but also leaves incentive for people to really push into higher end challenging content, because if a mythic raider really wants better gear, then he has to be in mythic raiding to do so, and it rewards him accordingly as he kills bosses there.

I'm not against specific cosmetic/mount-related Mythic-only rewards, but there is no reason to cap gear. If I pick up a 915+ from our heroic raid by chance, that doesn't devalue a mythic raider's achievement.

[zyx]

The questions are then:
What counts as "Doing mythic content"?
Do I just have to enter a mythic raid?
Do I have to kill a mythic boss? If so, how many?
Do I just have to enter a mythic keystone dungeon for it to count?
Do I have to beat the mythic dungeon timer? If so, by how much?
If I have done what is needed to give higher ilvl, do I keep it forever?
Do I have to do mythic raiding every week, or can I just buy my way into it?

Mythic Nighthold currently drops 900+ gear. Getting a warforged or titanforged item up to that ilvl is pretty rare as well.

[RoKPaNda]

Mythic gear already starts off higher and has an easier time titanforging to cap than lower level non Mythic gear. This is a "problem" for literally a percentage of that top 2% that actually raids Mythic. Why nerf fun for everyone else so that the players that already get the best of everything and are well rewarded already for their effort get even more? TF is fine the way it is.

Carries like Preach whine about it, and average Mythic raiders like Asmongold whine about it, but the system is fine as it is. Getting a high level TF in LFR or Normal is about on par with winning the local lottery IRL, it's just extremely unlikely. Getting a high level TF from Heroic is more common but it's not efficient unless you're doing split runs, which is honestly something that should've been fixed a long time ago.

[micwini]

No it doesn't. That's just bullshit. If your self-esteem really hinges on whether or not other people have gear that has a similar item level to yours, that's your problem.



I'm not against specific cosmetic/mount-related Mythic-only rewards, but there is no reason to cap gear. If I pick up a 915+ from our heroic raid by chance, that doesn't devalue a mythic raider's achievement.

Shouldn't you just be closing the thread instead of falling for obvious bait? Damn.

[Novakhoro]

The questions are then:
What counts as "Doing mythic content"?
Do I just have to enter a mythic raid?
Do I have to kill a mythic boss? If so, how many?
Do I just have to enter a mythic keystone dungeon for it to count?
Do I have to beat the mythic dungeon timer? If so, by how much?
If I have done what is needed to give higher ilvl, do I keep it forever?
Do I have to do mythic raiding every week, or can I just buy my way into it?

Don't be fuckin dense. I think it's a shit idea as well, but acting like the OP wasn't clear when it clearly is is counter-productive. You know what doing mythic content is

[RoKPaNda]

Look at your guild leader, OP. Look at how many heroic NH runs they've done and they only have ONE Heroic TF piece and it's a 910.

[Deleted]

I think it should max out. A lot of our raiders had their HC loot titanforge so when we started mythic a lot of the gear was actually worse and as a result did not feel worthwhile.

It also forces you to constantly be running older content just in case that special trinket titanforges for you, (Bloodthirsty instinct for example)

[Jtbrig7390]

No it doesn't. That's just bullshit. If your self-esteem really hinges on whether or not other people have gear that has a similar item level to yours, that's your problem.



I'm not against specific cosmetic/mount-related Mythic-only rewards, but there is no reason to cap gear. If I pick up a 915+ from our heroic raid by chance, that doesn't devalue a mythic raider's achievement.

And that ended the thread quite quickly.

[Coffeexbean]

Id say it doesnt matter anymore. After communities disbanded I couldnt give a shit what gear the guy next to me has and it feels good when you get a nice upgrade. I dont know if it exists but mythic content should have a chance to have its own warforged/titan that scales even higher. Nowadays what really matters is your achievements not gear

[zyx]

Don't be fuckin dense. I think it's a shit idea as well, but acting like the OP wasn't clear when it clearly is is counter-productive. You know what doing mythic content is

Well, obviously some of my questions were silly, but it was to get the point across.
The main question is still;

But do you need a full clear of the latest raid for it to count? Or just some percentage of bosses.
And do you need to do it every week to keep it counting.

[Jtbrig7390]

It also forces you

Nothing is forced its a video game, Its not curing cancer. Unless ur a WF guild and even then nothing is forced.

You chose to keep running content u don't enjoy.

[Deleted]

Nothing is forced its a video game, Its not curing cancer. Unless ur a WF guild and even then nothing is forced.

You chose to keep running content u don't enjoy.

If you want to keep at current levels you're missing out a lot if you're not going back for that titanforge

[Temp name]

Honestly, I don't care either way. Would it be nice to show off my l33t skills by being the only one with 900+ gear? Yeah, sure. But at the same time, it is REALLY nice to be able to, on an alt, pick up some high level TF items to bring it more in line with my main.
If anything I lean slightly more towards the not capping it, because I honestly don't give a shit if some guy doing only LFR has higher ilvl than me because he got lucky.

[purebalance]

No it doesn't. That's just bullshit. If your self-esteem really hinges on whether or not other people have gear that has a similar item level to yours, that's your problem.



I'm not against specific cosmetic/mount-related Mythic-only rewards, but there is no reason to cap gear. If I pick up a 915+ from our heroic raid by chance, that doesn't devalue a mythic raider's achievement.

If your self esteem hinges on "Wahhhh that person can get something and I'm not good enough" that's your problem. It goes both ways. The ones with low self esteem that caused these issues was NOT the high end players but the bad players who were jealous and started to call them special snowflakes pejoratively. It's funny you get infracted for calling LFR players baddies, but this phantom special snowflake term is never dealt with.

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Nothing is forced its a video game, Its not curing cancer. Unless ur a WF guild and even then nothing is forced.

You chose to keep running content u don't enjoy.

And LFR players don't need high ilvl or tier. You're not forced to have tier so stop clamoring for it. Works both ways.

[Reckoniize]

I like the system the way it is now. I'm a lot older than when I first started raiding, and being able to get high item level gear from doing 5 man content with friends feels super rewarding to me.

[Jtbrig7390]

If you want to keep at current levels you're missing out a lot if you're not going back for that titanforge

And that's the choice you make, Once again its not forced. Are you in a world first guild? Because if not it doesn't matter and even if u was it still doesn't matter.

Its optional.

[TheVaryag]

So the intent of the Warforge / Titanforge system was to give players the ability to perhaps find an upgrade from doing ANY type of content, whether it be WQ, Dungeons, Mythic Dungeons, LFR, Raids all the way up to Mythic.

The system as it stands now kind of devalues the higher raiding echelons especially with how frequently an item can warforge / titanforge.

Could the system be changed to still give players who don't do the highest difficulty / highest form of content the feeling that they can get an upgrade from any source of content that THEY do, without it feeling like a penalty?

So for example, lets say the warforge / titanforge system will allow ANY content below Mythic raiding (and a certain tier of Mythic+ dungeons) to be able to titanforge up to ilvl 895. But if you then participate in high level mythic+ dungeons, or Mythic raiding, the gear then starts at a base ilvl of 900 and can titanforge up to 925.

With this change, it would still feel to all players (even mythic raiders) that they can find upgrades for their character from any source, but also leaves incentive for people to really push into higher end challenging content, because if a mythic raider really wants better gear, then he has to be in mythic raiding to do so, and it rewards him accordingly as he kills bosses there.

Of course with each new tier of content the ilvl will be raised to match the tier, so the max ilvl titanforge below mythic Tomb would be raised to 5 ilvls below mythic tomb gear.

The system should be this, the max Is 1000 ilevel lets say for example, yes? Now, heroic dungeons are for ilevel 910, then goes LFR raids, 925, 950 normal raids, heroics 975 and 1000 ilevel for Mythic Raids. And lets pretend Mythic + will still be a thing If Blizzard wants to suicide their game In the next expansion. Mythic + should ONLY go as high as about 970, with ONLY world quests, outdoor content, dungeons of a normal and heroic difficulty, as well as normal raids can have Warforged / Titanforged. Basically, Heroic and Mythic should never have Warforged Items, and Mythic + will have them. But for the BEST gear you have to do Heroic raiding and Mythic raiding.

Simple as that, I never felt the need to get the bestest of the best gear In the game, I got the best I possibly count and felt like getting depending on the expansion and then I went to play an alt, or do more PvPing (Because if again, Blizzard aren't suicidal they'll restore guaranteed high end pvp gear as a thing) to get my PvP gear set, enchant It, pimp It out and such and just do that Instead...

Simple, don't allow Warforged to be something you hope for when spamming all of the content you do, for a minor Insignificant ilevel upgrade. It's okay when doing whatever content below the usual difficulty curve, but when you're raiding, or even donig Mythic + and get gear similar to a Mythic RAIDER It feels patheticly bad for the Mythic Raider who learns the tactics, does their best to do their own In a tough raid that takes minutes and minutes to actually complete. Rather then doing a speedrunner dungeon where you just AoE everything down and that's It...

The difficulty difference Is laughable. And people should not be surprised high end raiders are calling It quits If this is the future of WoW, aka a future without hardcore raiding because that's what Legion Is killing, gear Is pointless now, even Mythic gear. Because any random sod can not only pay gold to get boosted through Mythic + but -any- random sod can get that kind of gear too If they just spam the same mindless dungeons. While the raids are the same, some of them change from difficulty to difficulty, and aren't easy to do.

[Christonya]

There are two solutions.

1: Mythic raids should provide the highest ilvl of gear. This lets mythic raiders . . . Or any one get lucky out in the world, but mythic raids are the best source of loot for them.

2: Remove titanforging altogether.

I like the latter option personally.

[Jtbrig7390]

And LFR players don't need high ilvl or tier. You're not forced to have tier so stop clamoring for it. Works both ways.

The difference is that it keeps LFR players playing. Would u rather they stop playing and blizzard/wow lose money? If both sides don't need it(works both way's as u put it) then no reason to remove it.

Goals keep people playing.