Originally Posted by
Mehrunes
The only choice? So building more Titanforged, maybe even new ones entirely in Forge of Wills was impossible? Empowering something else other than the dragons, like, I dunno, the strongest non-Keeper Titanforged, was impossible? Or having Mimiron build some super-weapon? What about going with the plan of other Keepers and empowering the Aspects BUT instead of throwing his toys out of the pram like a petulant, tantrum-throwing 1 year old moron, supervising and guiding them? Looks to me like Odyn had plenty other options. Instead he packed his toys and left, turned his back on the other Keepers because they didn't want to kiss his ass all the time in the process, took a part of their compound with him to make it clear how big of a petty cunt he is while at it and left the Aspects to their own devices (though in this regard, the other Keepers failed as well). And went with the genius plan that had "Imma blow right in your face" written all over it.
And the Aspects still fulfilled their primary duty. Meanwhile Odyn got himself trapped in his mental asylum for eons, where all he achieved was getting the last shreds of his sanity to deteriorate away, giving Loken free range to do as he pleased. Who could be the perfect candidate for Old God's plans, given how they corrupted him prior to Deathwing. With Odyn locked and Ra being all emo, Loken had free reign to capture Halls of Origination and retrofitting it to suit for Old God's purposes, just like Deathwing tried to.
Gotta agree with all of this. Especially the last paragraph. People often rush to Odyn's defense with "But he's flawed!!1! So much better than what we have in WoW" as if the trait of having flaws in and on itself guaranteed quality. Not to mention that the characters without flaws are actually in the minority even in Warcraft, so I'm not sure why Odyn having flaws is supposed to be this much of a deal. I guess only some flaws count, I dunno.
But let's take Moron'zhu for example. He's the other character that receives the same praise as Odyn, often even in Odyn-related threads. In terms of quality, he suffers from similar issues as Jaina that I used as an example in my previous post in that his characterization was also all over the place. But unlike Jaina, his actual character flaws are utterly wasted.
OK, they make me detest him as a character, so I guess that's something, but just like Odyn, nothing actually comes from them in-story. They are also never explored or acknowledged. Leader of the Shado-Pan gets corrupted by the Sha? Whelp, no one questions his leadership. His dealings with the Alliance and the Horde are a roller-coaster clusterfuck? Nobody bats an eye, let him continue to be the one that deals with them.
He fucks up again and again, yet continues his shitty moralization? No one calls him out on that. Wrathion called out the bartender in his inn, yet the bartender actually had better moral highground. A character that's merely one step up from a prop got more logical reaction from other characters interacting with him than one of the most important (if not the most important) Pandaren characters.
And then there's "My people suffered more than any other" and "let's have a pointless trial that's obviously going to be decided by the Celestial twats before it even begins". Of course everyone goes along with it without a second thought.