Why exactly are drugs illegal?

[Deleted]

You're talking about research chemicals which are synthesized and intended and necessary for scientific and medical research. They are still illegal for recreational consumption. It's a big stretch to say that they are "legal" in the sense you're meaning.

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You're misusing the word "legal" here. It is legal for certain people and groups to possess. Not legal for recreational use.

The point I was making it that can be obtained legally. You can easily go to a variety of websites (which I won't link here for TOS purposes) and have them shipped to your house within days. And that by itself is not illegal.

You can browse these sites and buy them with bitcoins and even some of them accept credit card payments, it's just as easier as ordering shit off Amazon.

[Hctaz]

Restricting access to a harmful substance is part of helping an addict get the help they need. And yes, limiting what people can do because of Idiot Joe does make sense in regards to drugs. You can't win this argument because of how drastically children depend on parents/caregivers, especially the younger they are. Individuals aren't exactly going to stop having children so naturally the number of children who would be affected by complete legalization of drug distribution and manufacturing would be exceptionally high. As a result, we would see more cases of infants and young children being harmed or even dying from neglect because outstanding citizen Idiot Joe was high and knocked out for 10+ hours, allowing their one or more young children to wander and do something dangerous in the home or even leave the home.

Oh well? Little Timmy killed himself while his dad was passed out on drugs. Fine. If somebody is heavily addicted to drugs then they probably shouldn't be a parent. Why don't you limit the situations somebody is allowed to be in instead of limiting what they can do? This is like suggesting we ban guns because a suicidal guy got his hands on one... or you know... make it to where people like that can't have a gun instead? Bad parents? Okay you get your children taken away from you. I've had situations where my parents are practically incapacitated due to alcohol consumption. That's their choice, not mine and it's not illegal. Same thing with video game addiction. I know stories of parents who let their children starve to death due to video game addiction but we don't take away the games we take away their kids to send them somewhere where they don't live with adults who are morons.

I don't understand why you're all "BUT MAH YOUTH". So? Why does Idiot Joe deserve to have kids if he can't control substance addiction?

[Ihazpaws]

As a taxi driver, youre making assumptions based on anecdotal evidence. No offense but have you studied Psykology? Did you know the person, or did you just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I mean, people that are "Crazy" would still be crazy without "LSD(Or something else)"

Or maybe I've seen drug users every damn night multible times during my shift, so maybe I can tell when someone have taken something? Ofc maybe it happens that every person who have threatened my life with knife, pen or gun have been just "crazy".

[Pantalaimon]

As i said, you are just regurgitating what Prohibition activists were claiming a hundred years ago.

Try to read my posts next time before posting blocks of drivel. Addicts will stay addicted for the most part until they want to stop, no matter if they are addicted to drugs, pills, alcohol or tobacco. The only real question is if their money goes to criminal gangs or to the state, that is the reality, no matter how you try to deny it.

Actually I am advocating for young children who do have rights, and who have support from the National Association for the Education of Young Children, as opposed to ignoring the children populations for the betterment of adult addicts. The difference between you and I is that unlike you I actually work with young children and understand the needs that they have, as well as the multi-faceted issues that work towards taking those developmental needs away. I can see this social problem through the eyes of what is better for children, and you seemingly cannot, which is unfortunate.

I never denied that the state could technically benefit from legalized drug sales, but you're glossing over the fact that those many addicts who won't want to stop will continue in their addiction because they no longer will have nearly as many negative reasons attached to their drug-related behavior. Making addicts as comfortable as possible does not create the required motivation in order to push individual change forward.

[Ihazpaws]

And? Who the fuck cares exactly? I don't drink much, I don't smoke weed and I wouldn't if it were legal in Texas, I wouldn't do cocaine... but why does it matter if somebody else does? I don't get it at all. So some guy was on some drug and pointed a gun at you in his lunacy. You know what else does that? Prescription drugs can. Same shit. If somebody dies from a heroin overdose then boohoo they're dumb. People can die from drinking too much fucking water and you're just as awful at driving high off of drugs as you are constantly on your cellphone but cellphones aren't illegal either.

So you are saying that no one cares when drunk driver kills a kid or someone shoots innocent person during their "trip"? Also using cellphone when driving is illegal (unless you use handsfree).

[Pantalaimon]

Oh well? Little Timmy killed himself while his dad was passed out on drugs. Fine. If somebody is heavily addicted to drugs then they probably shouldn't be a parent. Why don't you limit the situations somebody is allowed to be in instead of limiting what they can do? This is like suggesting we ban guns because a suicidal guy got his hands on one... or you know... make it to where people like that can't have a gun instead? Bad parents? Okay you get your children taken away from you. I've had situations where my parents are practically incapacitated due to alcohol consumption. That's their choice, not mine and it's not illegal. Same thing with video game addiction. I know stories of parents who let their children starve to death due to video game addiction but we don't take away the games we take away their kids to send them somewhere where they don't live with adults who are morons.

I don't understand why you're all "BUT MAH YOUTH". So? Why does Idiot Joe deserve to have kids if he can't control substance addiction?

A dead child removed from the home of a neglectful/abusive drug addict can't be placed into a safe environment. Legally introducing drugs into the home environment merely creates slow to act reactive laws that often come too late to prevent irreparable damage to children populations. As a result of this I'd rather have the lives of adults inconvenienced by not being allowed to endlessly purchase legalized drugs then to have the future citizens of our societies exposed to an increased slew of chronic stress and endangerment.

[Nerovar]

On a sidenote I think it's kinda funny that all the freedom-loving Republicans of all things want the government to deprive its cititzens of their right of decision. Really makes you wonder.

[Ahovv]

Because look at gamers. Some are so addicted and they can't function anymore(in terms of social life, jobs etc. i myself been throu that).

Now think of some subtance, that is triggering that, times many on use. You will have a very, very strange world(or think of the entire human population as neckbeards, interesting thought isnt it?).

Are you one of those people who say, "lol adults playing video games? You should build a table instead?"

[Ripster42]

So because enforcing a law is hard to do we should give up on the law, great idea. Say murder get out of control in an area, don't worry just make murder legal and give up.

Way to completely ignore the thrust of the argument. The fact that decriminalization lowers the amount of addicts.

[Uoyredrum]

Because the private prison industry wants it that way.

[Shadowferal]

On a sidenote I think it's kinda funny that all the freedom-loving Republicans of all things want the government to deprive its cititzens of their right of decision. Really makes you wonder.

Yeah, and the Democrats want what? An increase in spending of social services to deal with parents too stoned to take care of their own children?

[Vash The Stampede]

This is why. BTW I went to high school with this guy.

[Manabomb]

^ This. Drugs, cause great harm to the human body, even if used sparingly. The reason pot is being pushed to be legalized while the others aren't is because it doesn't do nearly as much damage as the others, even less than alcohol.

If cannabis actually did any sort of bodily damage, we wouldn't have been cultivating it and putting into all medicines prior to the 20th century. America was pretty much founded on the back of cannabis and has deep roots in about every culture in the world where it can be grown (which is pretty much everywhere).

They were using cannabis in tinctures during the Civil War, on both sides. Granted this was an era pre-antibiotic and the best you could do with an infection is clean, pray and drink the pain away. But the criminalization of cannabis has absolutely nothing to do with its effects and absolutely everything to do with money, control and racism.

OT: Some drugs should be illegal. Some drugs should only have restrictions in the amount available. But it all should be subject to the scrutiny of science, not religious hogwash or racist scapegoats.

P.S. Jesus Christ was anointed in cannabis oil.

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Yeah, and the Democrats want what? An increase in spending of social services to deal with parents too stoned to take care of their own children?

If you're getting too stoned to take care of kids, perhaps not have kids?

Not to mention, exactly what's the difference between them getting too stoned and getting too drunk to take care of their kids? lmao.

[NicoWolf]

Because law enforcement is incentivized through the application of drug enforcement, I can find no good reason why drugs are illegal. The moment law enforcement has a means and reason to profit from the enforcement of law, the rule of law no longer exists.

I can, however, state one very good socially ethical reason why they should at least remain a controlled substance; Addiction.

I've personally struggled with alcoholism and managed to overcome it; I know how hard that fight can be. Same with smoking. Going on 3 years smoke free. Sure, some people can have a drink and it's no big deal. They can self moderate. They can maintain. They say weed isn't addictive, but tell that to some of my friends who who waked and baked, a bowl every hour on the hour just so they can deal with simple things. They had other issues, but they used drugs as a method of coping rather than facing those struggles head on.

Sure, everything can be addictive; porn, music, food, thrills. If it exists, there's just as likely to be a person who obsesses over it as much as there is porn of it. It's all about self control and personal responsibility. Making them illegal solves nothing and only creates bigger problems.

That said, some drugs, like heroin or krokodil(sp?) those should never be made legal.

[Shadowferal]

If you're getting too stoned to take care of kids, perhaps not have kids? Not to mention, exactly what's the difference between them getting too stoned and getting too drunk to take care of their kids? lmao.

Well I certainly agree on both sentiments.

[Deleted]

This is why. BTW I went to high school with this guy.

He's not hurting anyone. Plus he could just have non drug related mental health issues.

[cubby]

Except that the legal risks actually DO deter many from ever seriously seeking out drug dealers or other means to get high. So no, all people will not always find a way. Risk is an excellent deterrent sometimes, similar to how some suicidal individuals will never actually go through with real attempts to kill themselves (and may just perpetually stay in the realm of 'lesser' self-harm) you will also have those who may be interested in the idea of drugs or who are depressed, but are properly deterred by the risk of getting caught and going to prison, losing relationships/jobs/current education programs etc. This is not an all or nothing argument.

Nothing (lol) is an all-or-nothing argument. While the illegality might be a small deterrence, at this point it's not even palpable. If you want drugs, you can get them - period.

The illegality does have an enormous cost, however, and that is beyond measuring. If tomorrow there were no more illegal drugs, our society would have far fewer people in prison, and far more law enforcement officers going after criminals that actually mattered.

The other deterrence you mention, that of the effects of drugs (loss of relationships, etc) on their place in society, would actually be eliminated by making them legal. So all those "cons" you mentioned are negated after the illegality is removed.

[Logwyn]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...ug_prohibition

Its wiki but hey its a start.

[Miztickow]

African Americans and Anti-War Activists (hippies) were political opponents that the government tried to shut down by cracking down on drug use at the time and it has never stopped.

[Ghostpanther]

P.S. Jesus Christ was anointed in cannabis oil.

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Lol. How do you know it was? Olive oil was the most common oil used in that region back in that time period. People used it not only to cook with, but lamps for light, etc. First time I have heard it was weed oil used for anointing Jesus. Not saying you are wrong, but need some proof besides just a opinion.