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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by nanook12 View Post
    Please grace us with the glory of your alternative polls much like the rights alternative facts.
    Please grace us with the glory of your alternative for capitalism that could functionally replace it in a modern society. While I think it could be reined in, there are none that could replace it while allowing consumer freedoms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent View Post
    In America yes, and now more places want that because Americans push for it, for themselves. And at the same time also push for equality around the globe & board.
    But those whom use that argument are arguing from America, from that Capitalistic mind-set, to being with.

    Where we have grown up the past few generations with each person, or couple striking out on their own, their children want to do the same.
    Rather than say, maybe a rural family in a not-so-developed part of China, with maybe 3 or 4 generations under 1 roof. Their subsequent generations, except maybe (Uncle Yen, the odd-ball, who moves to America and finds a nice girl and a decent, rent-controlled, 2 bedroom flat in NYC). End up living in the same 3 or 4 generation house-hold.
    the talk about millennials living with their parents is obviously not referring to multi-generation families in China. It's American kids.

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    People would rather be given money than actually have to work for it.

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    People would rather be given money than actually have to work for it.
    That's logic because most people hate their jobs, not everyone is fortunate enough to have a job they really love doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spanishninja View Post
    the talk about millennials living with their parents is obviously not referring to multi-generation families in China. It's American kids.
    Right.

    But the standard of what is "Having a Life" & "Successful", is That, Yes? Living on your own, having your own car, this & that?

    But that's why their kids. They have not yet found out that having any of that, doesn't really matter. Or well, it shouldn't. But that is what the Capitalistic mentality promotes.

    But it's not sustainable. Especially in a society that injects "fresh-meat" straight into open society, from places & environments that have lived markedly different for generations.
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    Did they say on a poll answered on their Iphones

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    I am happy to be among the 49%.

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    I reject capitalism in its unfettered, anarcho-capitalism type. I'm an advocate of Democratic Socialism, or at least the Nordic model if one doesn't want to go that far.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
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    Do they even know what 'capitalism' means? If anything, they reject some vaguely defined corpocracy, commonly called 'capitalism', not capitalism itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Or maybe they should get screwed out of decent wages for the sake of a nice tax break
    Or better yet, to hell with them and go abroad and pay workers pennies a day to run a business and to hell with the American worker.
    If low skill workers continue to ask for excessive wages business will continue to go over seas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rilch View Post
    Do they even know what 'capitalism' means? If anything, they reject some vaguely defined corpocracy, commonly called 'capitalism', not capitalism itself.
    They reject poorly managed capitalism, which I think everyone does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supertony51 View Post
    If low skill workers continue to ask for excessive wages business will continue to go over seas
    Jeez dude, have a side of humanity with that order of callousness. People are not just numbers in an account ledger.

    But all hail Mammon, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berengil View Post
    I reject capitalism in its unfettered, anarcho-capitalism type. I'm an advocate of Democratic Socialism, or at least the Nordic model if one doesn't want to go that far.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
    I advocate it too, but unfortunately this is a luxury only rich countries may afford. Imagine Norway or Sweden with poverty rates similar to poverty in 3rd world countries. There would be not enough wealth to maintain the system (lower taxes revenues), and the pressure on the system would be much higher, due to the big amount of people depending on welfare and public services.

    Before reaching the point nording countries reached, a country needs to embrace capitalism to develop itself to generate wealth (theres no better system to generate wealth than capitalism). Private sector generates wealth, not the government (it consumes wealth), so, if a country wants to get rich, just make easier for the people to open and maintain their business.

    Nordic system is not a system to be applied on the majority of the world, at least, for now.
    Last edited by igualitarist; 2017-05-30 at 01:38 AM.

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    rejecting capitalism is rather silly. Most economies are mixed including the usa. So these kids who are voting for socialism are forgetting that. In fact if you look through much of our history we have been socialistic even before fdr social reform. Such examples are rail road grants holding public lands to build schools. Even public education so the reality of capitalism ever being a 100% pure here in the usa is as false as communism existing. Outside of that issue neoliberalism seriously needs to be revived and given the 100% truth. I feel like a lot of kids do not give it the proper justice it needs and separate it from Pinochet's regime.
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    I'm kinda siding with the kid. And while OP's post seem disingenuous, 51% of people isn't 51% of those aged 18-29. Possibly the future, but definitely not all people.

    And I don't know if the Pelosi quotes are out of context, but she seems to say that there is a disparity where CEO's kept wages low and gave themselves huge raises, and how she pointed out, but then goes on to say, 'oh well', that's capitalism and we are capitalist. And if that's the party line of the Democratic Party, then they are going to lose a lot of potential voters in the coming elections.

    Granted, 18-29, are college years, and a very visionary, idealistic time for a lot of kids. Reality, and the real world aren't part of their collective DNA yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakushisai View Post
    99% of the world can hate capitalism, it's still not going to change a thing because the rich will still own everything.
    But is not funny that their also wealthy people who promote socialism too? Considering it takes intellectual to implement the ideas and half of those intellectuals are also really really wealthy. Such as George soros to name some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by igualitarist View Post
    Tell them to go live in Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, or to study the fate of all countries that decided to fight against capitalism. Its as effective as fighting the gravity.
    Here is a 2017 list of the worlds happiest countries. Guess what, most of them are socialist.
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/20/travel...-nations-2017/

    Why are people so quick to point out the failures of socialism, but not the success stories. I could just as easily point out Somalia as a capitalistic failure.

    1.) Sweden
    2.) Denmark
    3.) Norway
    4.) Canada
    5.) Netherlands
    6.) Finland
    7.) Switzerland
    8.) Iceland
    9.) Germany

    All socialist countries and all among the happiest countries in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanook12 View Post
    Here is a 2017 list of the worlds happiest countries. Guess what, most of them are socialist.
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/20/travel...-nations-2017/

    Why are people so quick to point out the failures of socialism, but not the success stories. I could just as easily point out Somalia as a capitalistic failure.

    1.) Sweden
    2.) Denmark
    3.) Norway
    4.) Canada
    5.) Netherlands
    6.) Finland
    7.) Switzerland
    8.) Iceland
    9.) Germany

    All socialist countries and all among the happiest countries in the world.
    wtf are you trolling? none of those are socialist countries
    please look up the word before posting nonsense like that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berengil View Post
    Jeez dude, have a side of humanity with that order of callousness. People are not just numbers in an account ledger. But all hail Mammon, right?
    I've said it before, were I the Devil, I would never stoop so low to "deal" for someone's soul when I could simply invent the idea of an unregulated, completely free-market capitalist system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanook12 View Post
    Here is a 2017 list of the worlds happiest countries. Guess what, most of them are socialist.
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/20/travel...-nations-2017/

    Why are people so quick to point out the failures of socialism, but not the success stories. I could just as easily point out Somalia as a capitalistic failure.

    1.) Sweden
    2.) Denmark
    3.) Norway
    4.) Canada
    5.) Netherlands
    6.) Finland
    7.) Switzerland
    8.) Iceland
    9.) Germany

    All socialist countries and all among the happiest countries in the world.
    you mean social democracy? And isn't cdu in Germany a center right christian democracy with Rhine capitalism/social market as opposed to a regulated social democratic one. Secondly the history of Somalia is not a capitalist failure. Somalia was a Authoritarian socialist leaning country that was successful to a certain point it milked both sides of the cold war. When they tried to invade communist Ethiopia the soviets under retaliation funded a rebel group which ended up destroying the country along withthe humiliating defeat. Thats why it failed and collapsed. I could also point to Zimbabwe as an example of failed socialism but hopefully you get my point.
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