UK general election 2017

[Draco-Onis]

I think it's a good thing no one party has a clear lead.

A lot of grave decisions have to be made in the UK in the coming years. It is imo good to involve everyone. Even if it's inconvenient. Democracy isn't and should never be convenient.

I am not too familiar with how the UK works but doesn't that guarantee another election in October as a mandate is needed for a smooth brexit? Since no one has a majority It seems that would stall negotiations further. May will have to make a deal with the EU and then try to make concessions to make sure it passes domestically sounds rather messy to me.

[Jessicka]

Why would you be? It's just an election. I guess everyone was irritated by May's campaign, but still. I had specualated maybe she wanted out because she was on the Remain side of things before she took over from Cameron. You know, like "If you Brits are that stupid you can cope with the consequences yourselves" and stuff. Unlikely but I liked the thought.

Oh no, she took it to a new level. Clearly a deep unpopularity of being perceived as 'nasty', she's sought to join forces with an even more reprehensible group. Apparently going back to the 1950s isn't enough, the 1850s is clearly where it's at.

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I am not too familiar with how the UK works but doesn't that guarantee another election in October as a mandate is needed for a smooth brexit? Since no one has a majority It seems that would stall negotiations further. May will have to make a deal with the EU and then try to make concessions to make sure it passes domestically sounds rather messy to me.

No guarantees of any new general election. The EU hold all the cards anyway, there's literally nothing to negotiate; we have nothing to offer, because it's all sold off to international companies that can simply relocate.

[Pann]

I wonder whether Sinn Fein will take their seats now the DUP are in cahoots with the Cons.

[Kallisto]

So Tory/DUP confirmed. So instead if a pm who hung with Sinn Fein we have a PM in coalition with what was the political wing of the unionist equivalent who were political wing of UVF

[Pann]

So Tory/DUP confirmed. So instead if a pm who hung with Sinn Fein we have a PM in coalition with what was the political wing of the unionist equivalent who were political wing of UVF

It doesn't appear to be an actual coalition but we'll have to wait and see.

[Kronik85]

So Tory/DUP confirmed. So instead if a pm who hung with Sinn Fein we have a PM in coalition with what was the political wing of the unionist equivalent who were political wing of UVF

Yes but working with terrorists is only bad when Corbyn does it. You have to keep these things in mind.

[Independent voter]

How much influence did Trump have on the election?

[Floopa]

How much influence did Trump have on the election?

none to insignificant impact

[rogueMatthias]

none to insignificant impact

The Russian hackers however...

[Fleuria]

Wants to try and stop radical Islamic extremism but partners with a party that has more in common with Sharia law :thinking:

Oh well at least parts of her manifesto is dead now as their is no hope in hell the dementia tax will ever be passed, probably for the better at least. Wonder if this will be a wake up call to the Tories that you actually need to show a bit of compassion towards people going forward.

Wouldn't surprise me once the Tories get back on their feet, May will resign and they will hold another GE in the autumn. Maybe they will elect some one that has more in common with the younger - middle aged voters rather than the 1%.

[Snorkles]

Mays position is untenable really.

[alexw]

So Tory/DUP confirmed. So instead if a pm who hung with Sinn Fein we have a PM in coalition with what was the political wing of the unionist equivalent who were political wing of UVF

Oh this is hilarious......

[Jessicka]

Mays position is untenable really.

Party before country.

[Ryme]

Mays position is untenable really.

She's in an awkward spot, she should resign but she needs to get started on the Brexit talks and not delay and throw more doubt in every direction while the Tories look for yet another leader.

She'll go, just not quite yet.

[Kallisto]

I think again this election has shown the stupidity of FPTP system.

Tories with 42.4% of the vote get 49.1% of the MPs so a 7% over representation. Which is only 2% more votes than Labour but labour having 9% less MPs than Tories (40% so actually they're close to correct amount.)

Meanwhile SNP with 3% of national vote get 5.4% of MPs. Lib Dems with 7.4% of vote get only 1.9% of parliament. Only 2 more MPs than the DUP who got a total of 0.9% of national vote. Plaid were close as well with national vote (0.5%) and MP percentage (0.6%). While the Greens having 0.2% representation in parliament have 1.6% of national vote (Well above DUP, Plaid or Sinn Fein ).

It also is worse when you see that many MPs were voted into office with numbers as low as 30% of votes within the constituency, which means in some areas they have MPs in which around 70% of people voted against and now essentially don't have a voice in parliament (it's simply bullshit that an MP will listen to the views of those who are against the party they are alligned with. So Labour/Libdem voter will bring up concerns that Labour/Lib Dem voters tend to have and the MP will just laugh at it if they are Conservatives).

More and more points for full electoral reform, not some shitty AV alternative. One that allows 10% of vote gets 10% of representation in Parliament.

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Oh this is hilarious......

Oh it goes deeper than just UVF. DUP has links to also UVA and Red Hand commando groups. 3 terrorist organizations each linked to the DUP.

Northern Ireland politics at its best. The two parties that have any kind of representation is IRA linked on the Nationalist side. UVA, UVF and Red Hand Commando in the unionist side.

[rogueMatthias]

I love that Corbyn is acting like it was some huge win for Labour.

Just because your loss isn't half as bad as people were expecting it to be, it doesn't make it a victory. It only even seems like a success on his part because of how low expectations were for him (which in itself isn't a good thing).

[cubby]

I think again this election has shown the stupidity of FPTP system.

Tories with 42.4% of the vote get 49.1% of the MPs so a 7% over representation. Which is only 2% more votes than Labour but labour having 9% less MPs than Tories (40% so actually they're close to correct amount.)

Meanwhile SNP with 3% of national vote get 5.4% of MPs. Lib Dems with 7.4% of vote get only 1.9% of parliament. Only 2 more MPs than the DUP who got a total of 0.9% of national vote. Plaid were close as well with national vote (0.5%) and MP percentage (0.6%). While the Greens having 0.2% representation in parliament have 1.6% of national vote (Well above DUP, Plaid or Sinn Fein ).

It also is worse when you see that many MPs were voted into office with numbers as low as 30% of votes within the constituency, which means in some areas they have MPs in which around 70% of people voted against and now essentially don't have a voice in parliament (it's simply bullshit that an MP will listen to the views of those who are against the party they are alligned with. So Labour/Libdem voter will bring up concerns that Labour/Lib Dem voters tend to have and the MP will just laugh at it if they are Conservatives).

More and more points for full electoral reform, not some shitty AV alternative. One that allows 10% of vote gets 10% of representation in Parliament.

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Oh it goes deeper than just UVF. DUP has links to also UVA and Red Hand commando groups. 3 terrorist organizations each linked to the DUP.

Northern Ireland politics at its best. The two parties that have any kind of representation is IRA linked on the Nationalist side. UVA, UVF and Red Hand Commando in the unionist side.

I'm afraid I don't know much about the British election system. I understand different election methods, however. You're using FPTP (First Past The Post, right?) to select MP's if I understand correctly. How is that leading to the misrepresentation you mention above? I'm not doubting, just looking for clarity/understanding.

[Valerean]

I love that Corbyn is acting like it was some huge win for Labour.

Just because your loss isn't half as bad as people were expecting it to be, it doesn't make it a victory. It only even seems like a success on his part because of how low expectations were for him (which in itself isn't a good thing).

Yeah pretty much.

Blair returned 418 MPs back in 1997, 413 in 2001, and 355 in 2005.

Corbyn has managed 261 (nearly 100 less than Blair's worst performance) and yet is being celebrated as one of the great electoral successes of modern times.

Probably because the bar was set so low for him and so high for the Tories.


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[Kronik85]

I'm afraid I don't know much about the British election system. I understand different election methods, however. You're using FPTP (First Past The Post, right?) to select MP's if I understand correctly. How is that leading to the misrepresentation you mention above? I'm not doubting, just looking for clarity/understanding.

The General Election is comprised of 650 separate elections we call Constituencies which are geographical areas comprised of between 50k to 100k potential voters so under FPTP it's possible to win a majority of the Seats without winning a majority of the voting share. All you need to do is win your seat by 1 vote (I think we even had a constituency that was won by a majority of 2 votes this GE). Then you also throw in that FPTP is a system designed around a 2 party parliament when we have more than 2 parties now and the end result is that your voter share doesn't end up reflecting how many Seats you will win in the GE.

[Kalis]

Who would they chose atm? David Davis? Jeremy Cunt? I'm not even going to suggest BoJo because no doubt he will be AWOL for the next weeks like he was after Brexit because he doesn't actually want to be leader until the mess he helped make has been cleared up for him.

Not true of Boris, he did want to be leader, he did not want to win Brexit. He thought a glorious failure would boost his political standing in the party and managed to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

Boris is a man who can lose by winning, much like Theresa.

Fine, its like Rangers getting in to the Scottish premier league, a team that won everything to a team absolutely in the dumps back to a team with a chance of success. Your idea that Labour are not the opposition is laughable, that is exactly what everyone expected and its what we got. However that opposition was expected to be smaller not bigger, its a win and anyone saying otherwise is politically naive.

Two tragic 'defeats' for the Tories and counting.

Rangers are shit though, just not quite as shit as they were for a while. Celtic may not get a record points tally every year, but they are still racking up the league titles.

At the end of the day a Tory will be Prime Minister and the Conservatives will be in power for five more years, not Corbyn, not Labour.