Vasectomy

[derpkitteh]

No it's not, it can be quite enrichening for most people and society.

But for people like OP (and myself), not really.

there's no possible way to ask a potential life if it wants to be born. it's also immoral to force someone into a life where eventually bad things will happen to them.

if i have maze that has increasingly difficult and painful traps as it goes on and i put a mouse in it, i am an immoral and evil person. life as it goes on, becomes increasingly difficult, and the chance increases as you live that bad things will happen to you. it's the same concept.

we have lived as homo sapiens sapiens, the smartest(known) being in this planet's history, for thousands of years. what do we have to show for it? war, violence, hatred, and death. the same things we've had since the dawn of man, the dawn of primates in general. the dawn of life in general.

there's truly nothing coming to any of this. it will always be like this. this world doesn't deserve us.

[dacoolist]

I know this sounds crazy, but this is the reason I come to mmo-c.com - good input and info btw

[Draco-Onis]

Thanks, I did not know that, as for unbiased - it seems to be the only somewhat permanent (5 years+) option that does not include hormons?
I will look into this a little more. She does not have an appointment until the end of the year so we have time to research a little more.

My wife had it done years before the lawsuits she had to have it taken out after a few months because it became incredibly painful. It was actually a good thing we got lucky there are some women who have suffered a lot of irreversible damage thanks to IUDs after using them for years. I think the only other permanent option is surgery for her or you, the shot you get every 3 months or so but it may result in weight gain.

[dacoolist]

Also my father got one a few years ago (He's 56) - he said it was almost painless. Flipside: got a buddy from Cali, a truely strong guy too, he said it was extremely painful. SO yeah...?

[Draco-Onis]

I think this thread illustrated that some guys just think it's some sort of pristine Holy Grail for them and women can deal with the bloody altar.

It's also the reason there's almost zero progress in terms of a male contraception, guys are very paranoid about this and companies don't think it would sell.

[Ifeanychukwu]

Now I'm hungry...

Balls of Icecream <3

Don't forget the cream

[Deleted]

Post vasectomy pain syndrome thingy seems like a good enough reason not to do it.

[Frenegade42]

Go with the IUD and clean up any who get through with a free, safe and hopefully readily available abortion (I assuming you are living in a European Socialist paradise). The fail rate of the IUD is low enough that it can't happen more than a few times in a lifetime. Fair tidier and more pleasurable than condoms.

As for vasectomies, well fuck that. Being spayed or neutered medically like a dog is beneath human dignity. Without potency or reproductive utility you are a null-unit, only able to consume resources yet never contribute your DNA to the pool.

[derpkitteh]

I agree that it sometimes feels futile and that things REALLY need to be different. But aren't you a little too nihilistic? I am not super happy at this point in my life either but there is a light at the end of that 'maze' and those traps are just pebbles. Sometimes you trip and most of the time you get up from that and pay a little more attention.

Btw, you're quite appreciative of icecream and futa. Those are atleast 2 good reasons to get out of bed (or stay in bed and get your lover to get some heh)

sadly, there's likely no light at the end of this maze. only a cold, terrifying death. even if there was a way to keep someone safe and unharmed physically and emotionally their whole life, they still have to face that finality. then what happens? you leave behind people that cared and cause them pain. no sheltering for them, they have to deal with that. then there's a the possibility that you could very well be transitioning into a new hell.

i am pessimistic and kinda nihilistic because i've sat and thought and thought on it, i've watched every scrap of news, seen terrible videos on the internet, and read about the history leading up to it all. nihilism is basically just facing reality. i wouldn't bring a kid into this if my life depended on it.

and yeah, futas are good, and chocolate mixed with vanilla ice cream. but they're small diversions really, just a couple things to go numb and not think about childhood cancer, slavery, conflict, and rape. i wish that not thinking about it made it go away, but it doesn't. i don't really get out of bed for the diversions, i get out of bed cause i'm scared there's something even worse waiting if i don't.

sorry if any of that comes off as hostile towards you, i don't mean it that way at all. i typed it all with a pretty sorrowful tone in mind.

[Lokryn]

It's a pretty common procedure nowadays, no biggie. Just make sure your partner is on board if you're in a serious relationship.

[derpkitteh]

Nah, it doesnt come off as hostile at all. I get it, and I have bouts where I get overwhelmed and break down by all the shit I see online. At some point I just have to get away from that because it just fills me with negative energy. And that's -ultimately- not the way I want to live life, too much stress and for what? I'd rather try to accept that it's not perfect but that it can and will get better with hard work and preserverence.

Hopefully you won't give up either *hug*

oh, i would love to give up. i would love nothing more than to give up. i just can't until i know for sure i'm not making my situation worse. illogical to go into a potential worse situation. just hate the idea that more people have to be born into it by the minute.

also, kinda think nihilism isn't the right word for it now that i think about it, since i do legitimately care about people, that's why i'm so pessimistic. nihilist wouldn't care at all.

but yeah, trailing off here and stuff. op's getting his balls snipped and that's a positive. good on you op.

[Berengil]

That was meant for me wasnt it? I saw the notification.

Yeah, I quoted you in post #112, and said something very a-holish about your idea that kids are "enriching." My apologies.

I am 100% convinced that they (kids) aren't anything of the kind, but I shouldn't have been a prick about it.

[Tulune]

Go with the IUD and clean up any who get through with a free, safe and hopefully readily available abortion (I assuming you are living in a European Socialist paradise). The fail rate of the IUD is low enough that it can't happen more than a few times in a lifetime. Fair tidier and more pleasurable than condoms.

As for vasectomies, well fuck that. Being spayed or neutered medically like a dog is beneath human dignity. Without potency or reproductive utility you are a null-unit, only able to consume resources yet never contribute your DNA to the pool.

So surgery for male reproduction control is beneath human dignity, but placing a foreign object in a female, and then getting an invasive procedure if it fails is not? Ok then.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Can't believe there are people out there actually feeling offended by the idea of someone else having a vasectomy...

But then again, I shouldn't be surprised. When I wanted the full work and a removal of my reproductive organs for the simple reason that I've never wanted kids and my family has a history of problems later in life, I was asked to first see a psychologist and discuss my decision at length... Because we all know that a woman's sense of worth and happiness comes solely from having children, amirite?

You want it? Go for it. It would also be a security should you one day be out on the market again. However, do regular check-ups to make sure that it doesn't somehow go wrong and you become fertile again.

[Alvito]

I know 4 people that have had it done. Afterwards 3 said the pain was so intense they wouldn't do it again or wouldn't have done it if they knew before hand. Even worse one of them still had 2 more kids when his body healed up. I mention the pain since you say you lead an active life and for a few days you will be near a bed rest level of activity filled with pain, then a little bit longer before you are really back up to your normal running speed. I know for myself I would rather wear a condom all day long then have this done.

[jkbostic]

Best thing I've ever done is visit Dr. Snippy. Its definitely a personal choice. I've raised 3 awesome kids and don't want any more. The surgery is cheap. It isn't the most comfortable thing - the actual procedure is not bad, but administering the anesthesia sucks. They warn you prior to injecting the local that its going to feel like a kick to the nuts....and it damn well does. Recovery involves a bag of frozen peas and no heavy lifting. Surgery on a Friday, back to work Mon - Tues. Now, I was married at the time, and am single now, but still have no desire for any more kids. There's absolutely no change to sex life and all the "bodily fluids" that are involved with sex still are present. There's still orgasms...you're just firing blanks. You still make sperm - it is just re-absorbed back into the body. Your prostate still makes seminal fluid. No change there.

It only eliminates the possibility for pregnancy. You can still get STI's and all the other nasties...just don't have to worry about pregnancy - but still need to be vigilant about diseases and infections. From what I understand, its reversible in most cases.


edit - and yes you are supposed to bring in a sample a week or two after recovery to ensure everything was done correctly. I wasn't too interested in doing that whole process, so didn't. Again - right or wrong its a personal choice.

[Freighter]

in that situation, you got a little bit more to worry about than maybe not having that much of a libido anymore.

That's not the only thing that happens when you have no testosterone production.

[Vash The Stampede]

I'm not a big fan of having someone cut me open. So.... no. Also I can't imagine getting a vasectomy is a healthy choice as well. Just wear condoms forever, it should be fine.

[falagar112]

A lot of amazing feedback, thank you everyone. I might not have the time to thank you all personally - but know I appreciate it.

oh, i would love to give up. i would love nothing more than to give up. i just can't until i know for sure i'm not making my situation worse. illogical to go into a potential worse situation. just hate the idea that more people have to be born into it by the minute.

also, kinda think nihilism isn't the right word for it now that i think about it, since i do legitimately care about people, that's why i'm so pessimistic. nihilist wouldn't care at all.

but yeah, trailing off here and stuff. op's getting his balls snipped and that's a positive. good on you op.

Maybe a little off topic but I feel I have to say something about this.

You should look into being highly empathetic. I recognize the feelings, have dealt with them earlier in life. It took some really good people to make me realize that that is what it was. People like us can't deal properly with negative energy - and as much as this advice might suck - your only option as an empath is to cut ties with all people that surround you with negativity until you learned how to balance it. And even then it is very tiresome. Avoid news for starters

This reality as you perceive it, is what you make of it. The world isn't all doom and gloom, you just never get to experience the positives if your empathetic abilities get sensory overloaded by negativity.

Caring for people is never wrong, and many see being empathetic as a good trait, when in reality it is very draining because of all the focus on negativity. You simply can't help everyone, even if you wanted to. So last but not least: pick your battles wisely.

If you want to talk about empathy and how to deal with it on a daily life basis, feel free to PM

[derpkitteh]

A lot of amazing feedback, thank you everyone. I might not have the time to thank you all personally - but know I appreciate it.



Maybe a little off topic but I feel I have to say something about this.

You should look into being highly empathetic. I recognize the feelings, have dealt with them earlier in life. It took some really good people to make me realize that that is what it was. People like us can't deal properly with negative energy - and as much as this advice might suck - your only option as an empath is to cut ties with all people that surround you with negativity until you learned how to balance it. And even then it is very tiresome. Avoid news for starters

This reality as you perceive it, is what you make of it. The world isn't all doom and gloom, you just never get to experience the positives if your empathetic abilities get sensory overloaded by negativity.

Caring for people is never wrong, and many see being empathetic as a good trait, when in reality it is very draining because of all the focus on negativity. You simply can't help everyone, even if you wanted to. So last but not least: pick your battles wisely.

If you want to talk about empathy and how to deal with it on a daily life basis, feel free to PM

eh, i'm ok with the way i feel about things. i don't really want to change it, because i feel it's the true nature of things and not enough people realize it. i don't really want to change to feel happier about everything, because it'd be ignoring what goes on in daily life for millions around the world. i'd be sitting over here in my happy little delusion, talking about how great life is, while there's a literal constant state of war and strife elsewhere, or some kid's wasting away in a hospital instead of playing with games and toys like i got to.

i'd rather focus on reality. i can't change it, but at least i can see it for what it is.

again, not intended to sound hostile, sorry if it reads that way.