GOP to Rip Insurance from 23M, Ram Through Secret Trumpcare Bill By End of June

[Edge-]

Well that sounds like a return of annual and/or lifetime limits of coverage. Which cause medical bankruptcies.

So the cost of premiums will go up, and your plan might still leave you bankrupt.

The CBO report is due Monday, right?

There's just a plethora of different ways to go bankrupt or die from this bill, aren't there. How lovely, let it never be said that Republicans didn't make Trumpcare into a bill without choices for Americans.

[Blue Minuteman]

McConnell and his KKK allies simply hate America. This is why he happily betrayed the Union to work with Russia and now wants to commit political mass-murder.

[paralleluniverse]

Well that sounds like a return of annual and/or lifetime limits of coverage. Which cause medical bankruptcies.

So the cost of premiums will go up, and your plan might still leave you bankrupt.

The CBO report is due Monday, right?

That is correct. The ACA cap on out-of-pocket costs (7K for individuals, $14K for families), is based on essential health benefits (EHB). So for states that waive EHB under Trumpcare, the caps don't apply.

Deductibles will explode and lifetime, annual limits will be back.

[Powerogue]

This is supervillainy levels of insane. There's nothing unintentional about deliberately hiding and rushing the bill to ensure the least number of people can read and critically analyze its contents as possible.

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23 Million angry people showing up to the polls to rip your side to shreds?

Yes, let the fun begin.

You can't be angry if you're dead!

[Breccia]

McConnell and his KKK allies

No, no no. We're not doing unsubstantiated consp...

(reads http://www.snopes.com/2017/02/10/mit...federate-flag/)

...well, okay. Not substantially debunked. Carry on.

[Zan15]

why are we calling this a health plan...

can we call this what it really is.


Trumps first tax cut.



that's all it is a huge tax cut....for less then .5% of this country and corporations

[Poopymonster]

why are we calling this a health plan...

can we call this what it really is.


Trumps first tax cut.



that's all it is a huge tax cut....for less then .5% of this country and corporations

Wealthcare! If you have wealth, we care about you!

[mage21]

"Rip insurance from 23 million" is really unfortunate wording.

The CBO projection of coverage loss assumes that those people would gain coverage due to the individual mandate, and since that mandate is repealed under this plan, those people are counted as "coverage losses". It's pretty misleading. Furthermore, the medicaid coverage losses are 5 million by 2018 according to the CBO, roughly 33% of 2018 total losses. But according to FREOPP founder Avik Roy, "That contradicts the real-world experience of insurers and actuaries, who say that the real proportion is closer to 5 percent."

In short, the 23 million figure is vastly inflated.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot.../#2e11af995951

[Spriggs]

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/878632015360380929

"Confirmed to me last night.

Senate bill will require Americans to wait 6 months before getting insured if they miss a payment."

This thing is going to be a disaster.

[Belize]

"Rip insurance from 23 million" is really unfortunate wording.

The CBO projection of coverage loss assumes that those people would gain coverage due to the individual mandate, and since that mandate is repealed under this plan, those people are counted as "coverage losses". It's pretty misleading. Furthermore, the medicaid coverage losses are 5 million by 2018 according to the CBO, roughly 33% of 2018 total losses. But according to FREOPP founder Avik Roy, "That contradicts the real-world experience of insurers and actuaries, who say that the real proportion is closer to 5 percent."

In short, the 23 million figure is vastly inflated.

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Whoa, are you from the future???

Because the CBO score on this bill isn't out yet, and thus far, it's worse than the House bill.

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[Orbitus]

"Rip insurance from 23 million" is really unfortunate wording.

The CBO projection of coverage loss assumes that those people would gain coverage due to the individual mandate, and since that mandate is repealed under this plan, those people are counted as "coverage losses". It's pretty misleading. Furthermore, the medicaid coverage losses are 5 million by 2018 according to the CBO, roughly 33% of 2018 total losses. But according to FREOPP founder Avik Roy, "That contradicts the real-world experience of insurers and actuaries, who say that the real proportion is closer to 5 percent."

In short, the 23 million figure is vastly inflated.

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot.../#2e11af995951

So the opinion blog that you posted here, is saying the CBO score is better than expected. Good for him. But it still isn't better than the ACA. Not to mention, it is written by a senior advisor to the Rick Perry campaign. Sorry but his opinion is bullshit.

[LaserSharkDFB]

"Rip insurance from 23 million" is really unfortunate wording.

The CBO projection of coverage loss assumes that those people would gain coverage due to the individual mandate, and since that mandate is repealed under this plan, those people are counted as "coverage losses". It's pretty misleading. Furthermore, the medicaid coverage losses are 5 million by 2018 according to the CBO, roughly 33% of 2018 total losses. But according to FREOPP founder Avik Roy, "That contradicts the real-world experience of insurers and actuaries, who say that the real proportion is closer to 5 percent."

In short, the 23 million figure is vastly inflated.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot.../#2e11af995951

Yeah, sorry, no reason at this point to take the word of a right-wing think tank study. I'll wait for the CBO score, thanks.

[PosPosPos]

Although Republicans are the ones who will most undoubtedly be negatively impacted by this bill, you can bet they are going to do their usual spin and blame Democrats for it during the next election. It's what indoctrination and reality warping are all about.

[Breccia]

I like that Kellyanne Conway's solution to losing healthcare is "to find a job".

Yeah, those Rustbelt workers should just find a job. It's their fault they're unemployed, just like you said in the campa- oh.

"These are not cuts to Medicaid" said Kellyanne Conway, "because that would be breaking Trump's promise not to cut Medicaid. Instead, we are simply putting less money into the system than it requires. In addition, we are giving governors more flexibility as to spend Medicaid dollars by block-granting it, and the governors get the flexibility of choosing which of their state's residents get to die."

[Edge-]

"These are not cuts to Medicaid" said Kellyanne Conway, "because that would be breaking Trump's promise not to cut Medicaid. Instead, we are simply putting less money into the system than it requires. In addition, we are giving governors more flexibility as to spend Medicaid dollars by block-granting it, and the governors get the flexibility of choosing which of their state's residents get to die."

I feel like I need a shower after listening to her. She's so slimy and disgusting.

[Garnier Fructis]

"These are not cuts to Medicaid" said Kellyanne Conway, "because that would be breaking Trump's promise not to cut Medicaid. Instead, we are simply putting less money into the system than it requires. In addition, we are giving governors more flexibility as to spend Medicaid dollars by block-granting it, and the governors get the flexibility of choosing which of their state's residents get to die."

Dude, this sentence:

“We don’t see them as cuts, it’s slowing the rate of growth in the future and getting Medicaid back to where it was,” she said.

This is idiotic. 'We're not cutting your hair, see it was this short 6 months ago and we're just bringing it back to that length.' She is literally defending it by being a smart-ass.

[Matchles]

"Rip insurance from 23 million" is really unfortunate wording.

The CBO projection of coverage loss assumes that those people would gain coverage due to the individual mandate, and since that mandate is repealed under this plan, those people are counted as "coverage losses". It's pretty misleading. Furthermore, the medicaid coverage losses are 5 million by 2018 according to the CBO, roughly 33% of 2018 total losses. But according to FREOPP founder Avik Roy, "That contradicts the real-world experience of insurers and actuaries, who say that the real proportion is closer to 5 percent."

In short, the 23 million figure is vastly inflated.

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The numbers aren't inflated, that graph is just sketchy as fuck. They are comparing two different things, the CBO numbers are taking the bill as a whole, his number is just taking those in the marketplace, ignoring the millions that stay on their parent's insurance till they are 26 and the millions more that got coverage under the Medicaid expansion.

[PosPosPos]

I feel like I need a shower after listening to her. She's so slimy and disgusting.

I haven't listened to a US conservative politician in recent history that I didn't feel like just bleaching myself inside out. Not sure how you only react that way to Conway.

[jakeic]

I haven't listened to a US conservative politician in recent history that I didn't feel like just bleaching myself inside out. Not sure how you only react that way to Conway.

Maybe because she seems like the kind of person who relishes bullshit.

There's something about her that is off putting, besides being a liar, it's like she's stuck in the uncanny valley.

[paralleluniverse]

"Rip insurance from 23 million" is really unfortunate wording.

The CBO projection of coverage loss assumes that those people would gain coverage due to the individual mandate, and since that mandate is repealed under this plan, those people are counted as "coverage losses". It's pretty misleading. Furthermore, the medicaid coverage losses are 5 million by 2018 according to the CBO, roughly 33% of 2018 total losses. But according to FREOPP founder Avik Roy, "That contradicts the real-world experience of insurers and actuaries, who say that the real proportion is closer to 5 percent."

In short, the 23 million figure is vastly inflated.

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Oh great, regurgitating a hack piece from serial hack Avik Roy who has been wanting to destroy ACA since the beginning.

You're argument is complete and total nonsense in every regard.

CBO's prediction of coverage loss doesn't only account for the mandate, which even the chart Roy pulled out of his ass shows is only a small part, it is due to the Medicaid cuts and the atrocious design of the Trumpcare bill. In particular, CBO estimates the $800B Medicaid cuts accounts for much of the losses, and the $200B cut in subsidies and allowing price-discrimination based on pre-existing conditions will price sick people out of the market. How gullible do you have to be to believe the Trumpain bullshit that $1T in cuts magically equals zero to few coverage losses?

Community-rated premiums would rise over time, and people who are less
healthy (including those with preexisting or newly acquired medical conditions) would
ultimately be unable to purchase comprehensive nongroup health insurance at premiums
comparable to those under current law, if they could purchase it at all—despite the
additional funding that would be available under H.R. 1628 to help reduce premiums. As
a result, the nongroup markets in those states would become unstable for people with
higher-than-average expected health care costs. That instability would cause some people
who would have been insured in the nongroup market under current law to be uninsured.

Your parroting of Roy's argument that CBO's ACA projection has been wrong is also wrong. In fact, CBO has been virtually spot on in predicting in 2013 that the insured rate today will be around 10%, and it is. The only error CBO made is predicting companies would dump their employees onto the nongroup market in large numbers, and Roy's focuses on the nongroup market number to hide the fact CBO is right overall.

Your parroting of Roy's other claim that Medicaid cuts should account for 5% of losses, which is backed up by... NOTHING, is so laughable it doesn't even pass the smell test. Medicaid accounts for about half of ACA's gains, Trumpcare wipes out the Medicaid expansion, so how can it only account for 5% of the coverage losses? It should be in the ballpark of 50%, which is around what the CBO finds in later years. Try critical thinking.

And to sum up, how does attempting (and failing horribly) to discredit CBO help your case for Trumpcare? If the CBO is wrong about 23M losing coverage, you have provided no reason to believe the error isn't in an adverse direction. Maybe CBO is wrong and it's 30M losses instead of 23M.