German police raid 36 homes over hateful postings on social media

[Tech Priest Bojangles]

What is the problem exactly?

Prison sentence for shitposting? They're back to being Nazi's again, and not the good kind.

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[Charge me Doctor]

Why on earth would you want the government to have the authority to decide if your words are "hateful" enough to send you to jail?

so you won't end up being gassed in some future... so you won't end up with people running around streets (modern equivalent: spamming this on social media) and incite people to burn witches, lynch negros and round up jews... you know, usual extremist stuff that actually happened before but people tend to forget that people are fucking retarded

[tikcol]

No one in the German Armed Forces would train someone like you. Oh wait, you're just stringing together German words, my bad, here, lemme put on some Rammstein for you.

Your jokes are childish and pathetic. Sorry

[Freighter]

Prison sentence for shitposting? They're back to being Nazi's again, and not the good kind.

Don't engage in actions that are illegal if you don't want to risk being punished, seems simple enough to me.

[Canpinter]

Less friction in society if the state takes care of it before it leads to physical conflicts between the groups.

less free choice as well, and do you really think this help stop conflict or just pisses off more people and makes them more likely to become aggressive.

[StayTuned]

Why on earth would you want the government to have the authority to decide if your words are "hateful" enough to send you to jail?

It's not like it's a thought police. It's threats, coercion and incitement to racism what we are talking about. There is seldom room for interpretation when someone writes "f*** off nig*** go kill yourself" under every picture or comment a person posts on the internet. Or when black bloc members tell other people to go smash cars, assault people and set things on fire openly on Facebook and Twitter.

[Canpinter]

so you won't end up being gassed in some future... so you won't end up with people running around streets (modern equivalent: spamming this on social media) and incite people to burn witches, lynch negros and round up jews... you know, usual extremist stuff that actually happened before but people tend to forget that people are fucking retarded

no now you just wind up being thrown in jail or fined heavily for saying something the ultra left thinks is racist.

[Freighter]

less free choice as well

You shouldn't have the choice to freely engage in racist or threatening actions towards people without penalties.

do you really think this help stop conflict or just pisses off more people and makes them more likely to become aggressive.

Yes, it does help to stop conflicts if the state handles it rather than letting people take it in their own hands due to the state not intervening.

[TheDestinatus]

Don't engage in actions that are illegal if you don't want to risk being punished, seems simple enough to me.

This is pretty much Germany in a nut shell, they had anti Jewish laws only 1 lifetime ago so why would you think they would be any different now. You do get that law doesn't = right? You would have been a fantastic nazi supporter believing laws are right and all.

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[Canpinter]

It's not like it's a thought police. It's threats, coercion and incitement to racism what we are talking about. There is seldom room for interpretation when someone writes "f*** off nig*** go kill yourself" under every picture or comment a person posts on the internet. Or when black bloc members tell other people to go smash cars, assault people and set things on fire openly on Facebook and Twitter.

the threats and coercion part im not worried about its that "incitement to racism" bit that's so vague that it can be used as a tool to go after anyone who disagrees with you.

[Freighter]

This is pretty much Germany in a nut shell, they had anti Jewish laws only 1 lifetime ago so why would you think they would be any different now. You do get that law doesn't = right? You would have been a fantastic nazi supporter, law being right and all.

I don't particularly care all that much about what is thought of as right or not as it varies in every person.

[TheDestinatus]

I don't particularly care all that much about what is right or not as it varies in every person. There is no universal right or wrong.

So condemn in one post, absolve in another. You seem really well mentally.

[Nathanyel]

Why on earth would you want the government to have the authority to decide if your words are "hateful" enough to send you to jail?

Spoiler: "government" is the people you democratically elect to represent you.

[Freighter]

So condemn in one post, absolve in another. You seem really well mentally.

I think it's right because racism creates friction in society. Someone else thinks it's wrong because people should be allowed to speak their minds freely. How do we determine who is actually right from an objective point of view when it comes down to personal preferences and opinions?

You think I'm wrong because of your personal preferences, I think I'm right because of my personal preferences.

[TheDestinatus]

Spoiler: "government" is the people you democratically elect to represent you.

Hitler was democratically elected. You'd think with 20/20 hindsight you would avoid that sort of outcome but I guess its could just be cultural.

[Canpinter]

Spoiler: "government" is the people you democratically elect to represent you.

the government its what the largest group elects. without a constitutional (or similar legal protection) protection to free speech this kinda law can easily become a toll of the majority to suppress the speech of the minority but just labeling it hateful in one way or another.

[TheDestinatus]

I don't particularly care all that much about what is right

I think it's right because racism creates friction in society. Someone else thinks it's wrong because people should be allowed to speak their minds freely. How do we determine who is actually right from an objective point of view when it comes down to personal preferences and opinions?

Yeah you can stop now. History proves whats right and whats wrong, and massive cultural shifts and stagnation have always led to the downfall of cultures. You're building your own coffin and loving it.

[Freighter]

the government its what the largest group elects. without a constitutional (or similar legal protection) protection to free speech this kinda law can easily become a toll of the majority to suppress the speech of the minority but just labeling it hateful in one way or another.

What defines how far free speech goes is enshrined in the german constitution, is it not?

[Dr Assbandit]

Prison sentence for shitposting? They're back to being Nazi's again, and not the good kind.

Since when were there ever good kind of Nazis

[Freighter]

Yeah you can stop now. History proves whats right and whats wrong, and massive cultural shifts and stagnation have always led to the downfall of cultures. You're building your own coffin and loving it.

History doesn't prove what is right and wrong, it shows which opinion or faction won.

How am I building my own coffin?