This has absolutely nothing to do with anything that i typed. And just because im championing this cause at this time doesn't imply that i do not care about other things.
Aaaand you cant read, i should have seen that one coming. Yea, but most harm doesn't mean anything, its just a buzz word. So are you suggesting rape is worse then murder? Or then maiming someone? Point is that if you do not act on things that are not that harmful then we might as well stop with the law all together, different people will find different things more harmful, just go and talk with a vegan.It doesn't mean anything unless you don't know what the fuck MOST and HARM mean or verbs and nouns. As far as you feeling rape isn't very high on your list of harm that actually explains a lot of why you seem to not actually give a fuck that your advocacy is silly. The majority of harm is to women when it comes to rape NOT MEN.
And some more ramblings on your opinion no one has ever asked for followed with some incoherent sentence, funnily enough complaining about mine.You not following with a process in a sequence of fucking events, or one subject being predicated on another or following a single thing ever said to you, isn't an issue of you pointing out what is happening. It's you not actually knowing what is happening, paying attention and not even trying to fucking read or understand anything but what you think is important about what is happening.
If you didn't and you actually could follow sentence structure in logic, you would recognize if you thought beyond yourself, that you DON'T KNOW and probably never will.
Nope, just advocating for what i said i was, rest is in your head, stop drinking so much.No you are advocating that something is more of a problem than is being appreciated right now, I get that, I don't agree, and if there were any possibility of me ever agreeing it would only be if you had clarity or were honest about the problem. Which is why I don't care about what YOU specifically are advocating because you aren't logical or reasonable.
Hell maybe I am not either, I have my moments, but so far right now it's just you.
We have laws and ways to stop this, the problem is that it is not enforced in these cases.OK let me try just try to meet you some of the way, yes I agree some people cry wolf, that sucks it's really shitty, and sometimes the things people do like gossip and jump to conclusions and spout baseless opinions hurt, they are harmful, and I really wish I could as a human being think of a sure fire way to make that stop.
Never said anything like that, i only ever said that they would need evidence before they can make such claims. You might not make the claim, but there are plenty of posters here that think that the accusation alone should be enough to convict this person.However the solution is what? Ignore rape accusers, do nothing when something very fucking serious is reported? EH NO Do you want that if accusers don't have enough evidence to lock them up or charge them? I say no FUCK NO
Yes she has that too, but it really doesn't matter if people who do this are very rarely punished.Should women when found out to deliberately be lying and that can be proven, should they be charged? Sure I agree, but she has the presumption of innocenct before being guilty too.
And that is where you are wrong, false accusation of rape is just as much of a problem as rape in of it self. Just because something doesnt happen as often doesn't make the problem any less. If that where the case things like cannibalism and murder would not be much of a problem either, as they do not nearly happen as often as, lets say the big problem of theft. That doesn't mean that i think that thieving is worse then murder, but it means that thieving happens more often, yet murder is still worse.See it is a real trick its a problem because Rape no matter how often we can agree it happens is a problem. False Accusations on the other hand CAN BE, but what we can do about it is another matter!
Like it or not, but when an accusation can ruin someones life then false accusations must be punished severely.
Fully agree with this, it is just that at this time it is not the case for false accusations of rape, at best they will get a slap on the wrist. News articles aren't being retracted or updated with information of his innocence and the perpetrator isn't being punished.However in regards to the harm being called to the accused whenever is it false should we protect them? YES, I would agree with that, and I think that could be a real starting point. People do have freedom of speech but not freedom from making false or spreading malicious rumors.
The problem isn't the means to deal with it, the problem is the enforcement. The rules are there, there just isn't the will to actually sentence these people because of the fear that other might not come out. On the other hand, if 1 in 10 rape accusations weren't false then people would take rape accusations more seriously by default.Granted NOW there are very limited means to deal with that, but that is ANOTHER problem all together. I guess it goes along with trying to legislate whether you can say things about me, and as you notice people don't like language police.
Its not like they can erase everything that was written about it, and it isn't that the laws aren't there, the problem is that they are not being enforced.So, the only thing I can figure is to maybe strengthen laws such as libel, and defamation, and maybe give VICTIMS of false accusations tools to protect their reputations.
Just because something doesn't happen that often doesn't make it any less damaging. And a false accusation can be just as damaging to a person as rape. The thing is, not everyone reacts the same way, some people live long and careless lives after being raped. I'm not saying that rape doesn't or should not effect you, but it doesn't effect everyone in the same way. Some people are able to shrug it off and continue with their lives, its a very small minority but it happens. Good for them, but i do realize this is not nearly the case for everyone, most rape victims have an understandability hard time with it. The difference is that being falsely accused of rape isn't something you can shrug off. You can't shrug of things like "not being able to find a job" or being pictured as an animal as soon as you google your name. These are things in the real world that continue to be harmful to this person long after their names have been cleared of any and all wrongdoing. These things might not be damaging in the same way, but that doesn't mean that both aren't equally destructive to lives.But I am sure someone is going to be objecting to that due to reasonable concerns, just as you COULD be on some level, all I am fundamentally saying is that false accusations aren't as frequent as rape them selves or even close, but, none the less false accusations are not something I support by default.
A tragedy, yes, but you nor i know what exactly happened there and i refuse to blame this on someone without any kind of proof.Well guess that is why the topic is about two cops who did that and the girl who killed herself, but I suspect you don't actually give a flying fuck about that, so be it that is your prerogative.
My reason and logic colored yes by my bias, cares about the girl who killed herself over this shit.
Killing your self doesn't make you credible. I'd like to stick with what actually can be proven, and that would make this guy not guilty.Yes I don't need google, I seen mattress* girl and I didn't come down much on the side of either, I am not condemning the woman, or the fact she in fact seems credible to me, despite those that painted her the way they have.
And why are you afraid to choose a side when it has been proven that matrass girl was lying and making false accusations? So even if it is proven that she was lying and made the whole thing up you are still not able to side with the victim here.
Right, it was proven that the whole ordeal was made up with matrass girl, and still she has the right to express herself? Even if this "expressing herself" means that she is out right accusing someone falsely of rape!?Would I go so far as to say if I could I would put the guy in prison anyway or kill him or not protect him if I was at the collect? Nope
I believe in her right to expression, but I also agree he should have been protected, and despite my feeling, while criminally I don't thing she should be charged.
That contradicts your previous sentence completely, either she is libel to defamation or she is "free to express herself" with false accusations of rape.I do believe she OR ANYBODY should be open to libel or defamation. Because as much as I feel she may have been harmed the LAW is the LAW and should be fixed, but my reason and logic WITHOUT my bias, says the LAW is the LAW.