Germany legalizes gay marriage in historic vote

[Darththeo]

You are the expert...of nothing.

This post is worth ... nothing. Perhaps you could actually post something actually addressing what I said?

[JohnBrown1917]

Oh my, the more left leaning news outlets won't stop fuffing about it.. something that not even affects 5% of the population, something that for the most part was already implemented anyway. All that is happening now is that they will devalue the word "marriage" from a legal sense even more and bake some of the tax cuts aimed at providing a foundation for the continuation of the population into another law aimed more towards kids. So all the hipsters with their "muh-fun" mentality and their pseudo-intellectual excuse of overpopulation might have just hurt themselves .

I really have trouble understanding anything you said at all.

Ironically, from a politcal point of view, the left (our labor party, communicsts and eco-terrorists) will actually have hurt itself with this move as well, because with it another one of their non-issue topics for the next election has just gone up in smoke, which leaves them with even less material to win any kind of election. They have yet to realize that Merkel just pulled rug out from under them.

>communism
>eco terrorism

You sure love your hyperboles, eh?


But this is what they wanted, if they lose votes(and greens/linke voters wont switch to CDU) its a victory. Plus, a right-wing party supported it, but you focus on the 'left', why? Or do you just consider anybody not on the CDU's side to be on the wrong side?

[Gorechubz]

Oh my, the more left leaning news outlets won't stop fuffing about it.. something that not even affects 5% of the population, something that for the most part was already implemented anyway. All that is happening now is that they will devalue the word "marriage" from a legal sense even more and bake some of the tax cuts aimed at providing a foundation for the continuation of the population into another law aimed more towards kids. So all the hipsters with their "muh-fun" mentality and their pseudo-intellectual excuse of overpopulation might have just hurt themselves .

Ironically, from a politcal point of view, the left (our labor party, communicsts and eco-terrorists) will actually have hurt itself with this move as well, because with it another one of their non-issue topics for the next election has just gone up in smoke, which leaves them with even less material to win any kind of election. They have yet to realize that Merkel just pulled rug out from under them.

It doesn't matter how much of the population is affected by something. Inequality is a problem whether it is 3% or 100%.

[Deleted]

All the fuss gays made about marriage and none of them get married. "Oh, it's not for me, but I wanted other gays to have the option."

This is reasonably spot on and still it's fine. If only one gay couple is getting married, it was the right thing to do.

But overall I don't really agree how this gets hyped as a historic day. None of the people I know - including old folks - was against this decision and none of my gay friends was waiting with bated breath to finally get married.

[Cosmic Janitor]

I really have trouble understanding anything you said at all.


>communism
>eco terrorism

You sure love your hyperboles, eh?


But this is what they wanted, if they lose votes(and greens/linke voters wont switch to CDU) its a victory. Plus, a right-wing party supported it, but you focus on the 'left', why? Or do you just consider anybody not on the CDU's side to be on the wrong side?

Pointless vote about a non issue topic is pointless, I can't make the first part any simpler for you without Pendra getting a twist in her knickers again .
The green party is a bunch of retards high on 3rd wave feminism and pointless sophistry, Their only solution for everything is tax the ever living shit out of everyone without having any grasp on what is technically feasible, hence why I have even less than 0 respect for them. "Die Linke" is a bunch of ex communists and people that were so left and beyond reality that even the our labor party didn't want them. While their stuff might sound agreeable, they are essentially the left wing equivalent of extreme right wing nutters, they will say anything to get some votes but have absolutely no fucking clue how anything they promise is ever going to become a reality.

As for the last statement: It was the SPD that was giddy and couldn't stop itself to go out of their way to push for this now along with the green party. It's also the majority that voted for it. So it shouldn't come as a surprise that they also get the mention for being the ones that sabotaged their next election the most. Die Linke is just doing their opportunistic move again, nothing to see here .

Oh and before you go out of your way and equiate me to a CDU/CSU voter, I'm not. I detest Merkel. I'm also not a right wing voter. To me there is currently not a single party that is actually electable, since none of them cover even 40% of my political leanings.

Edit: I'm even in favor for the whole ordeal. I also think the next steps will be a step in the right direction (only giving tax breaks for those that contribute, not just those with the potential to). I just think the hype around it is utterly asinine.

[Holofernes]

Ok so first off: Adoption is a thing, and people do it. Additionally you can get a donor to make a biological child if you decide to go that route.

Secondly: There are a lot of married couples that don't have children, or can't have children. These aren't somehow void marriages just because you say they are. Marriage is a legal thing, with laws, and extra benefits extended to people that are married.

"Gay couples had rougly the same rights before that as state weddings" Yeah man, I hope one day I can ALMOST be equal to everyone else just because I happen to be attracted to somebody of the same sex.

And why are we going back to a 3500 year old book that has been rewritten an absurd number of times, with things added and taken out, to dictate our national laws? Pretty sure the bible said slavery was mostly ok. Doesn't mean we're going to try to bring that back anytime soon.

How do you think gay couples are equal to normal familys? if they have sex, they wont get a child. if a man and women marry, and have sex, they get children. They are not legally married before they have sex. Its the main purpose of a marriage, to found a family and get offspring.

I dont get the reasoning behind equality, if gays are clearly different in their partnerchoice than normal people. Difference is not equality, and Difference needs to be respected. A law that only describes a bond between male and female, cannot easily be extended to other relationships.

A black person doesnt become white because of equality.

And i am deeply assured, that nobody in their right mind would let a gay couple adopt their child, if they could have normal parents. Of course, u could buy poor parents out of their child as a gay couple, and that is the main fear of most people opposing the adoption allowance for gays. Its basically preying on poor peoples children , and nobody knows what will happen if the first childporn vids of a filthy gay couple with their 3 year old adopted son will finds the internet. Probably a lot of gays will be killed by the peoples wrath.

And i dont know in which country you life, but in most of europe, state marriage law is done by an bilateral agreement with the vatican state of mutual recognition. The legal contract of a marriage in state law, is the same as written in the old book.

[kail]

The bait-buffet in the first pages were a good laugh.

OT: I was under the assumption that gay marriage was already legal in Germany. Who knew the U.S. technically beat Germany in this social freedom issue.

Regardless, grats on Germany!

[Deleted]

Ok so first off: Adoption is a thing, and people do it. Additionally you can get a donor to make a biological child if you decide to go that route.

Secondly: There are a lot of married couples that don't have children, or can't have children. These aren't somehow void marriages just because you say they are. Marriage is a legal thing, with laws, and extra benefits extended to people that are married.

"Gay couples had rougly the same rights before that as state weddings" Yeah man, I hope one day I can ALMOST be equal to everyone else just because I happen to be attracted to somebody of the same sex.

And why are we going back to a 3500 year old book that has been rewritten an absurd number of times, with things added and taken out, to dictate our national laws? Pretty sure the bible said slavery was mostly ok. Doesn't mean we're going to try to bring that back anytime soon.

The financial benefits coming from marriage shouldn't be given to gay couples for the same reasons couples without children shouldn't get child benefits.
It's in the states interest to promote the birth of the next generation, which is why all these benefits exist.
It's arguable how effective they are, but they are wasted on gay couples.

[Holofernes]

Well your youtube suggestions are your own, provided you speak the truth. I am hardly to blame for that.

There is nothing anti democratic in the video or its message, quite the contrary. There is nothing xenophobic, anti islam, anti imigration or antisemitic in the video either. There is no advocacy for fascism or totalitarian government or policies in it, quite the contrary. So whatever corner youtube has assigned it, it didnt get there on its own merit.

Your attack on my person and your assumptions about what my beliefs are are utterly shameless and off the mark. You dont know me and have given precious little thought to even the content of the video. What you say is: You cant understand a word thats being said but you judge it by the names of the videos on your suggestion bar. Thats some fine thinking right there Sherlock, your moms going to be so proud of you.

I could explain you the very simple origin of my Nickname HAD YOU ASKED. It was my World of Warcraft avatar once where I stored runecloth in wow classic for tailoring. It was also a dwarf with a defensive spec and that turned out to be my long term main character. Ive played this character for at the very least a full year of lifetime /played. You know dwarfs being rune carving folk with a nordic kind of cultural vibe going on. Looking all big hook nosed short and stout gold digging gem cutting .... Totally like nazis. I remain convinced it was a good nickname, that's why I've kept it.

You're a dipshit. Nothing Ive said or done in this thread has even remotely to do with spreading a "worldview", all you however have done is make insults and accusations against my person. Not one single argument have you provided, instead you instigate.

Bonus: There is a mob type with the exact name as mine in Ulduar. Are Blizzard involved in spreading Nazi propagana now?
http://de.wowhead.com/search?q=runenw%C3%A4chter#npcs

As the youtube link is banned by court in my country (which tells it is illegal content), i had to check your backup link. and this is the most awful and dum nazi propagande anybdoy could ever imagine.

It is very funny that u try to state it is my youtube preferences links, as this vidio is BANNED BY COURT, because its content is illegal. so if u state its no such content, u are actually disagreeing with german judges.

No, its not youtube. Its the freaking backup link u posted, and u get a nice window of "similar" vids below., if u click it it has a nice window of the weirdest holocaust denial, Hitler speech, a nazi propaganda film "europe to the europeans" and a shitload of other highly sensitive and forbidden nazi propaganda material. antisemitic, holcaust denial,

Also having a nordic mythology name that is very common as nazis, and you post a link that was fucked over by court, and a backuplink on some site outside of german legislation, that is full of nazi /antisemitic stuff, that would put you for years into prison in germany.

U can tell many storys about your name, but the picture is as sharp as it can possibly be.

[Altariaz]

Becuase? Please, do tell.

Actually, it is for you to argue why this change is good. Please do tell.

[Cosmic Janitor]

The financial benefits coming from marriage shouldn't be given to gay couples for the same reasons couples without children shouldn't get child benefits

Some of them should. There is more to it than just kids, there is also the provide for one another clause. If it furthers social stability it's okay, but the large chunk that is meant to foster better conditions for offspring should really only go to those that actually have them (if gay couples raise kids then that is fine as well.., though that is even more the fringe case of the fringe cases).

[kail]

Actually, it is for you to argue why this change is good. Please do tell.

Freedom.
/10

[Moralgy]

Actually, it is for you to argue why this change is good. Please do tell.

This change is neutral, it is on people saying it is good or bad to convince people it is either way.

As for good

Freedom.
/10

[Blobfish]

Just Wondering btw.

So will Married Gay couples be now known as:

Mr & Mr Schmidt etc
or
Mrs & Mrs Schmidt .. for example

Which partner will take the main surname ?

Letterheads and Titles will have to be changed in Germany.

[Elegiac]

Just Wondering btw.

So will Married Gay couples be now known as:

Mr & Mr Schmidt etc
or
Mrs & Mrs Schmidt .. for example

Which partner will take the main surname ?

Letterheads and Titles will have to be changed in Germany.

What will happen is what currently happens. One partner decides to take the other's name, or they hybridize them. Or choose a new one.

[Deleted]

As the youtube link is banned by court in my country (which tells it is illegal content), i had to check your backup link. and this is the most awful and dum nazi propagande anybdoy could ever imagine.

It is very funny that u try to state it is my youtube preferences links, as this vidio is BANNED BY COURT, because its content is illegal. so if u state its no such content, u are actually disagreeing with german judges.

cant think of any of the content in the video that makes it illigal.

No, its not youtube. Its the freaking backup link u posted, and u get a nice window of "similar" vids below., if u click it it has a nice window of the weirdest holocaust denial, Hitler speech, a nazi propaganda film "europe to the europeans" and a shitload of other highly sensitive and forbidden nazi propaganda material. antisemitic, holcaust denial,

can just be their algorithem, because it is a german video. what is the first thing you associate with germany? be honest. my guess is for the most it is the nazi-regime


or you are just trolling *shrug*


ps: is this video still legal?




edit: found the other thread
if you are interested in the discussion i will be looking for your answer here: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...ill-in-Germany
dont want to derail the discussuin to much so this is my last post in this thread

[JohnBrown1917]

Just Wondering btw.

So will Married Gay couples be now known as:

Mr & Mr Schmidt etc
or
Mrs & Mrs Schmidt .. for example

Which partner will take the main surname ?

Letterheads and Titles will have to be changed in Germany.

Such a shame no other countries who have gay marriage exist, so we'd know what'd they'd do. Like, for example, a neighboring country where it'd been legal for 15 years, now that would be handy!

[Aggrophobic]

Actually, it is for you to argue why this change is good. Please do tell.

Becuase equal rights for all people seems like a fair deal.

[Shinra1]

I have a come a long way and I don't mind this. But can we call it something else?

[JohnBrown1917]

I have a come a long way and I don't mind this. But can we call it something else?

Not in a secular society.