Battle for Azeroth Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I think that the DID and Draenor orcs will be released at launch or in the first patch but we will be able to work towards unlocking them since day one.

[Jastall]

yes i think its stupid grom is leading. it should be durotan.

Same. Not only is he a lot more competent, he's also cooler and proved his loyalty.

That's assuming Grom actually leads the Allied Race. Warchief Hellscream doesn't mean much in the present, whatever he is now WoD Grom isn't Warchief of anything in the Horde.

[Leodok]

Draenor orc Flirts anf jokes.

I absolutely love every single one of them.

[Whatever Dude]

The official story forums are absolutely insufferable. Some nice datamining there, but the political undertones with almost every post can really get under your skin.

[Caerule]

Good things confirmed!

-The Draenor Orcs have apparently renamed themselves Mag'har, probably to distinguish them from the Iron Horde.
-They make mention of a lot of clans! So good chance we have access to all their looks!
-Confirmed to join the Horde! I know, it was pretty sure, but still feels nice to have confirmed and discussion ended.
-They mention knowing Saurfang, so I guess he is part of their intro, and doesn't stay in prison.

It's also pretty certain that we won't see these in the first patch. There is no way that, in the Orcs vs Humans expansion, that we're not getting Brown Orcs and Kul Tiran Humans at the same time. And getting Kul Tirans will require to progress more first. Unless Blizzard decides to change up their story from what they initially planned.

Uncertain for now is who leads the Mag'har Horde. Durotan and Grommash are the two chieftains left. Obviously one of these will remain on Draenor, and the other will come to Azeroth. If Draka and Durotan weren't inseparable, Draka would have been an option too. But she and Durotan will either stay and lead on Draenor, or come to Azeroth.

To me it makes more sense that Grommash is no longer Warchief, and Durotan has taken that role. And thus stays behind on Draenor. Grommash has been a failure of a warchief, and he is more in place on a war-torn Azeroth than a peaceful Draenor. But I suppose if Durotan wants to repay his debt to Azeroth, he could make the mistake his son Go'el Thrall made, and put a Hellscream in charge of his Horde...

[tristannarutofan]

I think that the DID and Draenor orcs will be released at launch or in the first patch but we will be able to work towards unlocking them since day one.

It's important to remember that from a developer standpoint each race has an opposite but from a story stand point they aren't equal.

High mountain And light forged are both subsets of an existing race in their faction.
Nightborn and void elves are a subset of a race in the opposing faction.
Dark iron and mag'har are biologically and unofficially allied with their faction but they haven't fully committed to it.
Zandalari and kul tirans are the naval natives.

However the zandalari came to the horde for help

Meanwhile the most friendly kul tiran ambassador we have is a criminal in their lands.

At the start the horde will ally right away with the trolls since they want the horde help. In response the alliance will bring the dark iron fully into the alliance.

Later, saurfang plan to approach the Magyar will go through, meanwhile by 8. The alliance will have proven themselves to the 4 houses like the devs said we would at blizzcon.

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Same. Not only is he a lot more competent, he's also cooler and proved his loyalty.

That's assuming Grom actually leads the Allied Race. Warchief Hellscream doesn't mean much in the present, whatever he is now WoD Grom isn't Warchief of anything in the Horde.

Well according to the lore he was leading it before and after the coup by golden. That traitor is dead so leadership is his

[Hugnomo]

The new icons seem to indicate kultiran heritage armor.

[Whatever Dude]

Too bad they won't get that hook weapon, or the wooden leg.

[Leodok]

Looks like they've changed the thing about void elf numbers being endless.
Now it's:

"The void elves... those traitors keep coming."

It does imply their numbers are big, but not THAT much.

[George Costanza]

The official story forums are absolutely insufferable. Some nice datamining there, but the political undertones with almost every post can really get under your skin.

Yeah US forums are cancerous.

But they have been that way since cataclysm IIRC.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

I think that the DID and Draenor orcs will be released at launch or in the first patch but we will be able to work towards unlocking them since day one.

The only way I can see unlock requirements working (and not leaving the Horde with a harder unlock than Alliance) is if that's the case. DID and Mag'har in 8.0, Zandalari and Kul'tiran in 8.1.

But Blizz would drown in "but you promised us Zandalari at launch" complaints.

[Corroc]

It's also pretty certain that we won't see these in the first patch. There is no way that, in the Orcs vs Humans expansion, that we're not getting Brown Orcs and Kul Tiran Humans at the same time. And getting Kul Tirans will require to progress more first. Unless Blizzard decides to change up their story from what they initially planned.

If things go as we have heard by now, I would assume we are getting them somewhere between second and last tier. Or maybe after the last tier before the next expansion. My reasoning for this is that Kul Tiras might not want to ally with alliance from the get go but they are going to help them with exchanging something (goods,services, the whole reason alliance is at Kul tiras). But when the actual 120 campaign starts and Horde starts invading Kul tiras they are slowly going toward allying with alliance. But when the actual phase of "we are alliance" comes in is still question mark of how blizzard will do it. It could come between tiers if it fits the narrative.
I just hope maghar orcs get good reasoning for coming in to help. Maghar orcs could also mean the return of Thrall because of Aggra.

[Whatever Dude]

"The void elves... those traitors keep coming."

I like how the VE are called traitors when the BE turned their backs on them in the first place.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Looks like they've changed the thing about void elf numbers being endless.
Now it's:

"The void elves... those traitors keep coming."

It does imply their numbers are big, but not THAT much.

Or they are doing the story a favor and suicide charging the front lines.

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I like how the VE are called traitors when the BE turned their backs on them in the first place.

"I made my self a danger to my own country BuT tHeY aRe ThE tRaItoRs."

Please.

[Corroc]

I like how the VE are called traitors when the BE turned their backs on them in the first place.

Generally all elves can be void elves. But they are alliance because of the corruption.

[Leodok]

Or they are doing the story a favor and suicide charging the front lines.

Or both

[rcshaggy]

"Champion, come back te Silithus. I've discovered how we can be healin' Azeroth!
Magni, tell me what we can do to heal Azeroth.
The Heart of Azeroth can heal the planet's wounds... but ye need to get it more power if we're gonna stop it permanently.
More wounds be appearin' throughout the planet, and more forces be seekin' te use it for their own ends.
Ye need te stop these forces and absorb any azerite they be usin' te empower the heart!"

Well kinda explains on why we are getting rid of the Artifacts...

[Shizari]

"I made my self a danger to my own country BuT tHeY aRe ThE tRaItoRs."

Please.

Void Elves aren't traitors is a take I don't think I've seen before. I give him that, at least.

Even though its wrong.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Generally all elves can be void elves. But they are alliance because of the corruption.

That's not why at all. They are alliance because they got kicked out of Quel'thalas.

[Corroc]

That's not why at all. They are alliance because they got kicked out of Quel'thalas.

Yeah....because they almost corrupted the sunwell.