China causes outrage by banning online content of 'abnormal' homosexual relationships

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Well, let's be honest here. I doubt even 10% of the world population has accepted these types of relationships. And then of those 10% many don't even accept it but tolerate it.

It's just as much a bad thing to enforce our believes, norms and ways onto other countries as it is us doing it to them. Let people figure it out for themselves, stop being "outraged" because someone else has different views.

[Darsithis]

It's just as much a bad thing to enforce our believes, norms and ways onto other countries as it is us doing it to them. Let people figure it out for themselves, stop being "outraged" because someone else has different views.

No.

As a member of that group, no. I am not interested in a world where, by virtue of being who I am - something I can't control or change - that I can be jailed or even executed for it. The only way change happens, the only way the world progresses, is to be outraged by inequality and to stand against it.

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No.

As a member of that group, no. I am not interested in a world where, by virtue of being who I am - something I can't control or change - that I can be jailed or even executed for it. The only way change happens, the only way the world progresses, is to be outraged by inequality and to stand against it.

Which is why it's good that in our own surroundings this is not a problem (or at least less of a problem and going further into the right direction).

But you can't enforce this on other countries and cultures. Anything that's forced upon someone will already create resentment, but if it's something that goes directly into a cultures norms (I don't know if this is the case in China though) you cannot expect any positive results from it.

That's also why I said, let them figure it out themselves. Change can not be forced upon others, it can only from the inside.

[JohnBrown1917]

Its because communism doesn't work and people starved to death isn't it? xD

Don't worry, you'll get it right next time.

You sure you got the right post?

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Meanwhile, if you point out the plight of homosexuals in the Middle East and how they can be imprisoned or even killed, you are accused of being Islamophobic.

The left will be first to ....... insert you know what here. They dont like atheists

They don't really care about human rights -- of any groups. Islam is their love number one now, while previously it used to be Soviet Communism.

I don't think these people actually care about socialism or multiculturalism either. They just want a dictatorship. Communism, islamophilia -- they are just means to an end, while all the propaganda about peace, minorities, women or sexual orientations is merely fake virtue signaling to attract useful idiots to fill their ranks.

[JohnBrown1917]

They don't really care about human rights -- of any groups. Islam is their love number one now, while previously it used to be Soviet Communism.

I don't think these people actually care about socialism or multiculturalism either. They just want a dictatorship. Communism, islamophilia -- they are just means to an end, while all the propaganda about peace, minorities, women or sexual orientations is merely fake virtue signaling to attract useful idiots to fill their ranks.

I really wonder where the 3 of you get all your left wing strawman from.

[I Push Buttons]

I really wonder where the 3 of you get all your left wing strawman from.

From the mouths of SJWs?

For example, idiots complaining about being triggered by guys having their legs spread on public transit and how oppressive that is to women (or any other number of retarded arguments of oppression that are literally nothing)... Ignoring that women in some Muslim countries are literal slaves to their husbands and families, bought and sold like chattel, and then raped for offspring. But they don't mention that at all... In fact they actively try to suppress other people from mentioning it by accusing them of racism/Islamophobia.

[Mittens]

Which is why it's good that in our own surroundings this is not a problem (or at least less of a problem and going further into the right direction).

But you can't enforce this on other countries and cultures. Anything that's forced upon someone will already create resentment, but if it's something that goes directly into a cultures norms (I don't know if this is the case in China though) you cannot expect any positive results from it.

That's also why I said, let them figure it out themselves. Change can not be forced upon others, it can only from the inside.

The CCP actively imposing such a policy out of their own whims is hardly part of the culture.

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Modern China is hardly communist, still very authoritarian though.

Opression was more brutal under Mao.

[Deleted]

Well, let's be honest here. I doubt even 10% of the world population has accepted these types of relationships. And then of those 10% many don't even accept it but tolerate it.

It's just as much a bad thing to enforce our believes, norms and ways onto other countries as it is us doing it to them. Let people figure it out for themselves, stop being "outraged" because someone else has different views.

No.

As a member of that group, no. I am not interested in a world where, by virtue of being who I am - something I can't control or change - that I can be jailed or even executed for it. The only way change happens, the only way the world progresses, is to be outraged by inequality and to stand against it.

You know, this inevitably brings us to the cognitive dissonance that is supporting LGBT rights and Islamic mass immigration simultaneously, which is what most of the Left seems to be doing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

In the field of psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort (psychological stress) experienced by a person who simultaneously holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values. The occurrence of cognitive dissonance is a consequence of a person's performing an action that contradicts personal beliefs, ideals, and values; and also occurs when confronted with new information that contradicts said beliefs, ideals, and values.

I'm not a part of any minority. I'm a straight white male. Regardless I don't want to live in a world where anyone gets persecuted, especially for something they have no control over.

The Western countries are the only places in the world where sexual minorities are no longer persecuted. Yet, for some reason, this should be endangered by importing millions and millions of people who have very brutal ideas of what should be done to homosexuals. At the same time we should respect and tolerate their culture and not force them to assimilate. These double standards are something I just can't comprehend -- unless many of the people who claim to pursue LGBT rights actually don't care about them.

But back to the actual topic, although these issues are more or less intertwined. In the recent years many of the old commies and their younger ideological heirs have "awoken" to criticize countries like Russia and China for their treatment of minorities. But is their newfound "concern" real or fake? They tend to be very quiet about what's being done to the same minorities in Muslim countries. Furthermore, the admiration of totalitarism is still there. Here in Finland we constantly get to witness this kind of thought patterns:

Leftist: Russia is tyrannically oppressing sexual and religious minorities! This is unacceptable!
Me: So are you okay with us finally joining the NATO then, like we should have done decades ago?
Leftist: NO! NO! We must not upset our dear friend and comrade Russia! And shut up about Georgia and Ukraine!

...and so forth. Do you see what I mean?

Another noteworthy thing is that the Left here, despite of pretending to support LGBT rights, also regularly uses homosexuality as an insult, especially when it's about important historical persons. One of our country's most important figures in the 20th century was marshal Mannerheim. 99 years ago we experienced a communist rebellion and a civil war, fought between the "Reds" and the "Whites". The Whites, led by Mannerheim, were victorious, and democracy endured. Mannerheim also led our defense during WW2 in 1939-1944 against the brutal invasion by the Soviet Union and again thwarted the Left's dream of a Communist Finland. In 1944-46 he was also elected President, guiding the country to peace. And in 2004 he was voted "the greatest Finnish person of all time". (The second was the war-time President Risto Ryti, whose personal sacrifice was instrumental to the country's defense, and who was also hated by the Left -- and he was not even on the original list of candidates.)

Naturally all this means that Mannerheim has attracted the non-stop ire of the Left for almost a century now. Many still call him a "butcher" because they are still butthurt over the outcome of the civil war. Some years ago a leftist artist caused an outrage by making an animation where he portrayed Mannerheim as a homosexual (which, by all existing sources and witnesses, he was not). And every few years some b-grade academic publishes something attempting to tarnish his reputation by questioning either his sexual orientation or his ethics. They do things like this specifically to desecrate the national hero and irritate the people.

Now, what does this tell about their sincerity when it comes to LGBT rights?

Modern China is hardly communist

...and neither is modern Russia. I've seen many old, hardcore stalinists criticizing modern Russia (and China) -- but not because of its atrocities, but because of its political and economical system. They aren't concerned about the invasions, bullying, warmongering or internal oppression dissidents per se; they hate that their former utopia is now controlled by who the old commies think to be capitalists. Of course, LGBT and multiculturalism have also popped up on their agenda. But these same people worshipped the USSR while it was still enslaving half of Europe, so I find it hard to believe that they would be genuinely interested in anyone's liberty, tolerance or human rights.