LGBT representation

[Fahrad Wagner]

Female quilboar, as mentioned above in the non-canon Warcraft RPG, do sometimes take on a male life style - including female mates.
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In his retelling of the day Deathwing came (during the quest The Day that Deathwing Came: What Really Happened), Martek the Exiled is shown surrounded by numerous female admirers and a male admirer. Should Martek (the player) choose to save the male admirer, they share a "tender moment" upon his motorcycle just like they would if a female admirer was chosen, implying that Martek is bisexual, or that the listener assumed the blood elf admirer to be male.

I had completely forgotten about this awesome quest and this detail about quilboars, thanks for the reminder!

[Magally]

Who doesn't remember the OG WoW lesbians?

[Bitorez]

Obscure characters. I wonder why Anduin can't be gay

Why should he be gay? Why do you think it is needed that characters are stupidly written and just scream in your face: "I'm gay!" Give us an actual explaination and stop begging the question

[tikcol]

This is actually not true. Some very serious statistical studies say it's more likely to be around 3 to 5%. Some other studies (probably a bit too ambitious) states it's around 8-10%. Not willing to harass you or anything, I thought I'd just let you know!

That number has been increasing over the years...

[Deleted]

There is a problem with people recognising LGBT etc rights.

However, the number of people in those communities is very small and probably not worth bothering about even for a large business.

[Deleted]

A company wants money, they aren't emo

Yes, they want money. so they spend time doing content and other game things not losing time with this SJW crap.

Like I say. If someone develops a game where are only male characters. only thin female characters. WHY NOT? it's their game and their call. Don't understand why anyone should attack their decision about that.

[tikcol]

Why should he be gay? Why do you think it is needed that characters are stupidly written and just scream in your face: "I'm gay!" Give us an actual explaination and stop begging the question

Well, they don't need to scream to my face. Having a boyfriend would be enough you know.

I don't want that though. I just don't understand why Blizzard isn't cattering to the LGBT community like the rest of the world is.

[grexly75]

I am a 100% for equal rights and don't even see people as different based on backgrounds like that.

That said, I am so tired of it being rubbed in my face at every turn and I certainly don't want it to follow me into the videogame world as well, where I come to have fun and not be annoyed with real world issues.

My thoughts exactly, I can live with it I just don't like it shoved in my face every ten minutes.. And very true video games are about fun not having political agendas implanted in them.. One day all of this LGBT thing will come back to bite those that are vigorously promoting it, just like how the backlash against SJW's and feminism is slowly gaining momentum, people are getting sick and tired of having it shoved in their faces 24/7..

[Deleted]

Come on now, this is not serious. What you're saying is not true. Let's start a list proving you you're wrong.

• There was an LGBT story introduced with Legion in the most ordinary way possible (two night elves females during an Enchanting quest).
• Madame Goya, the mistress of the Black Market is married to another pandaren woman.

There were other hints before that, that strongly implied some characters were LGBT:

• Skyguard Khatie asking you on a date regardless of your gender.
• Sentinel Sweetspring looking constantly at another sentinel and apparently getting denied.
• Hearthsinger Forresten who was a performer when Stratholme was still a human city and loots items that are references to gay culture and musical culture.
• Asric and Jadaar, bickering at each other in a way that could be easily interpretated as more than just banter.
• That Steamy Novel ending up in a threesome between Marcus and those two taurens (one male, one female).

I'm probably missing a few of them, but it goes on, sometimes it's just hints, sometimes it's more explicit. So, as you can see, the argument that says there are absolutely no LGBT character in World of Warcraft is simply not true.

If we go on a larger scale and look at the other Blizzard universes, Overwatch is another good example: Tracer, one of the MAIN characters of the game is gay (or at least bisexual) as explained in a comics introducing her girlfriend Emily.

Now let me get things straight, I enjoy when things are done in the most natural way, and that's Blizzard has done so far. They introduce it in game, if it feels it should be there at that moment and its relevant (typically what happened with that Enchanting storyline). Why should Blizzard forces LGBT characters in the storyline, if it doesn't even fit the character? I'm gonna take Anduin's example. I've always thought Anduin was gay and that Wrathion was more than a friend, but that's my opinion of it, and only mine. If Blizzard ends up marrying Anduin to a woman, I'll accept his character just the way he is, and I won't complain about a missed opportunity or whatever. If it wasn't done, it's because it's not how it was meant to be done.

Now on my side, I'll keep enjoying those "smaller" LGBT characters Blizzard gives us, and I will enjoy a strong important LGBT character, if the fact he/she is LGBT is irrelevant to the story. I don't care if Jaina Proudmoore is going after undead paladins or turquoise dragons, she's still Jaina Proudmoore.

Before some people start bashing me for "pushing back eventual LGBT characters to the closet", know that I'm not, and that my whole point is about how it should be done and not forced if it's irrelevant to the story.

PS: Oh and for the few enraged people that might come to this thread, it's useless to try to call me a homophobic person, as I'm actually gay myself, out of the closet and a occasional activist for LGBT rights equality. Now, sashay away.

Quoting for emphasis. Excellent analysis and summary, wording my own point of view (even as a straight male) perfectly. Well done.

[tikcol]

There is a problem with people recognising LGBT etc rights.

However, the number of people in those communities is very small and probably not worth bothering about even for a large business.

Do they lose anything if they represent the LGBT community? Because to me it seems like Blizzard is afraid to.

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Quoting for emphasis. Excellent analysis and summary, wording my own point of view (even as a straight male) perfectly. Well done.

OBSCURE CHARACTERS 95% OF PLAYERS DON'T KNOW ABOUT

[phoenixia]

I just don't understand why Blizzard isn't cattering to the LGBT community like the rest of the world is.

Because this is the world... of warcraft.

[Fahrad Wagner]

That number has been increasing over the years...

Because people are more open, my point was about Zerroth saying it was 1% and how it's completely wrong and outdated. Now that being said, it's very difficult to know where we are between 5% and 10%. I'm an economist and basically, there are many unknown variables which could make the whole estimation biased such as: how can we estimate people that are LGBT but not out? Does culture really have an impact on the proportion of LGBT? etc. But I'm not gonna expand on statistics here, I'm on holidays and I'll let that alone until September haha!

Quoting for emphasis. Excellent analysis and summary, wording my own point of view (even as a straight male) perfectly. Well done.

Thank you Sir, I tried my best.

[Deleted]

Yes, let Thrall and Jaina transition into their true genders. /sarcasm

No. To be honest I don't even know what most of the characters in WoW are into and I neither need nor want to know. If we found out tomorrow that Baine Bloodhoof is living with his boyfriend and that Anduin plans to marry Genn Greymane it wouldn't change the game in any way for me.

[Deleted]

Do they lose anything if they represent the LGBT community? Because to me it seems like Blizzard is afraid to.

yes, they lose the time and money they invest in it.

Given the numbers of people who that commmunity meaningfully represent, its like having a pecialist design team to appease the worries of Jain Bhuddists or something. It'd be nice but its kinda pointless from a business standpoint.

[Super Kami Dende]

Because why does it matter? Of everything that is good about a character, their sexuality comes so far behind so much else that if a Characters Sexual identity is it defining factor it is an entirely poorly written character.

Because just like in real-life, nothing is more boring than someone whose biggest trait is their sexuality.

[tikcol]

Because people are more open, my point was about Zerroth saying it was 1% and how it's completely wrong and outdated. Now that being said, it's very difficult to know where we are between 5% and 10%. I'm an economist and basically, there are many unknown variables which could make the whole estimation biased such as: how can we estimate people that are LGBT but not out? Does culture really have an impact on the proportion of LGBT? etc. But I'm not gonna expand on statistics here, I'm on holidays and I'll let that alone until September haha!



Thank you Sir, I tried my best.

Well, as long as it doesn't increase more I'm fine with it

[Bitorez]

Well, they don't need to scream to my face. Having a boyfriend would be enough you know.

I don't want that though. I just don't understand why Blizzard isn't cattering to the LGBT community like the rest of the world is.

You are contradicting yourself and have proven to be just baiting for the sake of attention so nothing to see here.
Sad to see that Race/sexuality Baiter are becoming more obvious/often ... keeps the attention from the real problems in these demographics ... but you do you baiter

[Palapop]

Get out. Get the fuck out with your SJW agenda.

This.

And also... WHO THE FUCK GIVES ANY FUCK ABOUT YOUR SEXUAL ORIENTATION IN GAME?!
I would report anyone for sexual assault and /whisper abuse if they came with that BS to me....

Why the fuck would you advertise them in mmo-fantasy game?! o.O

[tikcol]

You are contradicting yourself and have proven to be just baiting for the sake of attention so nothing to see here.
Sad to see that Race/sexuality Baiter are becoming more obvious/often ... keeps the attention from really problems in these demographics ... but you do you baiter

I've been very clear about my belief from the start. It's stated in the OP. I'm building a conversation about this issue. It's called being a mediator

[mittacc]

LGBT isn't a community, it's a demographic. You don't speak for a demographic just because you in it...

Noby cares by the way. Grow up.