Version 2 of Senate GOP Trumpcare Out: Pre-Existing Condition Discrimination Is Back

[ati87]

Yes, companies bailing out of the exchange at a rapid pace and raising premiums every year is trash. Actually, it's fucking trash to be specific.

Insurances companies increasing premiums isn't limited to the US....and you could have a more productive discussion if you answered what the ''middle-ground'' is between reasonable policy and horseshit.

But then again you can't really have a civil discussion when you only rant.

[Mormolyce]

Trump's ''plan'' to just let Obamacare fail is political irresponsibility of the highest order if you ask me. He's basically saying that since he cannot easily solve the problem, he'll pretend there isn't one until it grows too big and someone else fixes it for him. I've rarely seen a head of state act in such a nonchalant and flaccid manner, especially when it comes to a subject as important as healthcare.

It seems the Senate is having none of that plan, either, but the mere fact that Trump went from ''repeal'' to ''repeal and replace by something better'' to ''fuck this shit'' in a few months is would be hilarious if it wasn't saddening.

To be fair, he has no idea what's in the healthcare bill and apparently prefers universal healthcare.

Kek.

[Travis B]

Say what you will about Trump, but he's not going to let people die on the streets:

[paralleluniverse]

Not only is Trump a monster for sabotaging the ACA and inflicting cruelty on the sick, but he's also a moron.

The idea that this will lead to Dems to come begging to him to fix the ACA is delusional.

Dems should dare him to stop making the CSR payments as he keeps threatening to do. The result will be political suicide.

In addition, Dems don't have to beg or make any kind of deal, because any damage done or any sort of collapse due to Trump sabotage is temporary and will automatically be undone once he is booted out and the sabotage stopped. All they have to do is simply run out the clock.

In fact, blue states could choose to counteract the non-payment of CSRs by providing them until insurers successfully sue the administration for what they are legally owed, and can counteract non-enforcement of the mandate by legislating the mandate in state law. Neither action costs any money on net.

[Skroe]

'Tis real.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/twitt...-trump-chyron/

Every single one of those is absolutely gold.

"Make America Eventually Get Something Done "

(MAEGSD, which is such a mess its entirely appropriate).

Fuckin' Trumpkins, rofl.

[Felya]

Probably because they never had a plan other than moaning and bitching.

Obamacare is already very center of the aisle, due to all the concessions Dems made. A more conservative version cannot exist.

A more conservative version can exist, but not without millions losing their coverage.

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What if your anxiety acts up in the middle of busy traffic

Then you should have seen a doctor to get anti-anxiety medication.

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But it's not immoral to make someone else pay more than they should for healthcare? Regardless I don't know why the Feds don't just take 100% control of Medicare and put preexisting condition people there.

How can you even ask why federal control of Medicare isn't expanded, when GOP is in charge of the Fed? You said GOP doesn't really have a plan, but we do know the boundaries of what they want. Expanding federal spending is not on the table due to GOP's platform. It's as if you don't know that GOP blocked the Medicare expansion that is in ACA in some states. Your claim to not knowing why is either disingenuous or you've been living under a rock for the last 8 years.

[ati87]

You do realize that you refuted nothing I stayed. I'll assume you agree with me then.

You do realize that their is nothing to refute? You are just ranting about everything ACA related

You original statement ''work togther'' is again a silly thing (to be polite) to say when one side aims for horseshit and the other side actually achieved something. What middle-ground is their between horseshit (gop plan) and the ACA?

Start by answering this because that was you're original statement

[ati87]

Which is only strengthening my point. The GOP needs to bring the Dems into the discussion and quit trying to just get rid of the ACA for political reasons. Even democrats agree that the ACA in it's current state is going to (and is to some extent) hurt the country the longer it stays unchanged. I for one am not against keeping some of the ACA's provisions, but to pretend that it is fine the way it is now is disingenuous. Both parties need to check their egos at the door and actually do their damn jobs. A compromise is certainly attainable if both parties can swallow some pride. Now the likelihood of this happening with our current President and Congress are slim to none.

You know what a compromise means right? Amending the law which is saying ''allright we add a law here and change that law their a bit'' but nothing drastic since you are keeping teh ACA

What you are suggesting as a compromise is to get rid of the ACA and try to find the middle ground between horseshit (gop plan) and the ACA since single payer isn't a middle-ground.

[paralleluniverse]

Even democrats agree that the ACA in it's current state is going to (and is to some extent) hurt the country the longer it stays unchanged.

LIE!

Who are these imaginary Democrats who say that the ACA is hurting the country? The ACA is saving lives and has reduced the uninsured rate to record lows.

The ACA improved the status quo relative to before the ACA in every way.

The problems with the ACA are due to Trump's sabotage: threatening to end CSRs, pulling ads, refusing to enforce the mandate. He doesn't care if he causes sick people to die.

Of course the ACA can be improved, but that involves more government spending on healthcare, not a $1T cut in healthcare spending that is in the Trumpcare death bill.

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You keep referring to the GOP plan as "horseshit", but do you honestly know what it entailed? Not all of it was garbage. Being able to keep your doctors and plans is kind of a big deal. You don't seem to understand how compromise works.

Wow, the ignorance is astounding.

Do you know what is in Trumpcare? Nope. Which specifically was the "keep your doctors and plans" provision in Trumpcare? Cite it now.

Apparently, ripping healthcare from 22M people means people can "keep their doctors and plans" according to this Trumpcare-supporting liar!

[Xeones]

You keep referring to the GOP plan as "horseshit", but do you honestly know what it entailed? Not all of it was garbage. Being able to keep your doctors and plans is kind of a big deal. You don't seem to understand how compromise works.

Wait what? All the republican plan did was strip away health care from millions of people to give tax cuts to the wealthy.

It had no provisions to keep your doctors and plans. In fact their "cost cutting" maneuver was to make ineffective plans legal again which would mean your current plan became unaffordable as they cut funding and you would get dropped down to a lower plan that didn't cover you for nearly as much.

[mvaliz]

Wait what? All the republican plan did was strip away health care from millions of people to give tax cuts to the wealthy.

It had no provisions to keep your doctors and plans. In fact their "cost cutting" maneuver was to make ineffective plans legal again which would mean your current plan became unaffordable as they cut funding and you would get dropped down to a lower plan that didn't cover you for nearly as much.

Furthermore, since it allowed insurers to drop people from their plans due to pre-existing conditions once again - Sillnasty's statment is absolutely wrong and is a flat out lie. Even LESS people can keep their Doctors and Plans under Dumbass Dump's plan!

[PACOX]

Evidence #357 That Donnie is a gahdamn liar:

"The people of this country need more than a repeal," Trump said. "They need a repeal and replace."

Spoken today.

But on Monday:

[Edge-]

Evidence #357 That Donnie is a gahdamn liar: Spoken today.

But on Monday:

Trump vs. Trump: 48 hours later edition.

[Paranoid Android]

Trump vs. Trump: 48 hours later edition.

It is amazing that Trump basically has a tweet in his past (sometimes future) where he contradicts or steps all over what he is saying now. People not "real" politicians for being hypocrites, the Trump is putting true politicians to shame on being two-faced.

[Xeones]

It is amazing that Trump basically has a tweet in his past (sometimes future) where he contradicts or steps all over what he is saying now. People not "real" politicians for being hypocrites, the Trump is putting true politicians to shame on being two-faced.

That is fake news.

[PACOX]

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Remember its the Democrats fault that party that holds the majority can't get anything accomplished.

[Milchshake]

http://imgur.com/gallery/gpzlS

Remember its the Democrats fault that party that holds the majority can't get anything accomplished.

Now here come all the independents and Glenn Greenwalds with their brand of both sides are bad:
Assertioning that the party of Medicaid expansion and Sonia Sotomayor is the same, or perhaps even worse, than the party of destroying Medicaid to pay for an upper-class tax cut and Sam Alito.

[Travis B]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbo-scor...lth-care-bill/

CBO projects the latest GOP proposal will lead to 32 million more people losing healthcare over the next decade. How is it possible that with each iteration of their healthcare bill, it just gets worse and worse?

The Republicans should do like George Costanza in that one Seinfeld episode, and just do the complete opposite of everything their natural instinct tells them to do.

[Blur4stuff]

None of the bills so far does anything significant to lower costs and control increases. It's like they think sprinkling free market fairy dust over legislation will suddenly make a pill drop from $50 to $5 and never go back up.

[Adam Jensen]

Evidence #357 That Donnie is a gahdamn liar: Spoken today.

But on Monday:

What? Trump lied on the campaign trail? Tell me more! Is the pope a catholic? Does a bear shit in the woods?