Question for people that think others owe them something in life.

[Deleted]

Well first, its good to see there are still sane people in Europe. Sadly I can't answer your question cause although Im less than 25% Aztec, I believe that commies should all be sacrificed to Huitzilopotchli.. for the greater good. The sun must come up after all.

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Well first, its good to see there are still sane people in Europe. Sadly I can't answer your question cause although Im less than 25% Aztec, I believe that commies should all be sacrificed to Huitzilopotchli.. for the greater good. The sun must come up after all.

Found the Aztec version of Scandinavian basement nerds likening themselves to the Viking

It still doesn't beat Swedish confederate but that's why I love gen-ot it always finds a way

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Found the Aztec version of Scandinavian basement nerds likening themselves to the Viking

It still doesn't beat Swedish confederate but that's why I love gen-ot it always finds a way

Well it was supposed to be a joke... but if you think your culture sucks and others have a better one, you're the problem. I mean if it actually does suck, you still gotta defend it and even die for it cause look at pandas. They suck, they're pathetic... but you don't see them commit mass suicide do you?

[Sky High]

Where does this believe come from?

And in this case, by owing something I mean for example society owing you/us food and shelter, or welfare, or a regulated economy and job market, etc.

because we live in a civil, sustainable society, that's why, next retarded question. like why the fuck would I live in a country that doesn't offer me the chance at employment? like that's not even a society at that point, gawd the more I think about this insipid bullshit the madder I get. /peaces out

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I bet Deruyter thinks he's smart.

[Deleted]

I bet Deruyter thinks he's smart.

He's that movie boss that believes his employees like him and laugh at his jokes but they're faking it and sigh to each other when he turns his back

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because we live in a civil, sustainable society, that's why, next retarded question. like why the fuck would I live in a country that doesn't offer me the chance at employment? like that's not even a society at that point, gawd the more I think about this insipid bullshit the madder I get. /peaces out

This is a meaningless comment though. What you think is moral or civil is based on your values. Values however are not universal.

[Deleted]

In 37 years, I have had to go to the hospital exactly 0 times.

Really now, so where were you born in? A lavatory?

I wonder how many times your parents took you to the hospital when you were an infant.

[Cruor]

Really now, so where were you born in? A lavatory?

I wonder how many times your parents took you to the hospital when you were an infant.

lol... once, to be born, I'd think that was obvious, I guess not for some people. I have not had to go back, since. Guess who paid for it? My dad, not the welfare system.

[Deleted]

I would hate to live there. I am sure its paradise for people who have a boo boo on their pinky toe and thus do not need to work and get to chill all day with "free" medical care. However, I, as someone who pays taxes, would absolutely hate having huge portions of my money stolen to pay for those people. In 37 years, I have had to go to the hospital exactly 0 times. The sickest I have been is a short cold. If I do get sick, I have my own health care from working... how exactly would the system there be of use to me?

Yep, they do seem to be starving because of all that stolen money. It's not like the wages are adjusted to bear the high tax pressure or anything. But sure, to each their own. And fuck everyone else, right? Not like it matters if people around you without any medical coverage just drops dead, right? Who cares.

[Feel The Power]

I am genuinely interested in this because it's a very strange concept for me. I was raised in a family that always worked towards being independent from others as much as possible and never to expect free hand outs in life and I guess all my friends and colleagues are pretty much the same, because "like attracts like".
So I personally have no one in my direct social circle that seems to have this believe and many people on this forum however do seem to have it, so I figured I ask it here.

Ahh yes, the old "why can't people be like me", or what is usually the case "why can't people be like the person I am pretending to be" question. Yes yes, you and your family and friends are better than most people in the forums and the poor, congrats on that! Seriously too, we're all extremely proud and impressed. I really super mean it. I'd personally rather have 20 welfare recipient friends than even one friend who has the train of thought of "this is why am I better than other people".

[Shakari]

Which socialist countries are doing fine? No, social democracies do not count, that would make them not socialist countries.

I am not sure there has ever been a successful socialist nation, usually socialists claim they were not truly a socialist nation when they fail miserably.



Socialists are as vile as fascists. Fascists tend to dress better.

If you ignore the Nazis, then fascism does not have a very high body count either, still does not make it an okay system.

Thats like saying cars are evil because they kill thousands of people a year .... no its the people behind the wheel driving those cars that are the problem, a car without a driver does nothing. A system without people running it is nothing but an concept or idea, its how its used that counts. Socialism is not evil or bad ... but some of the people who have used it were. So try and at least think a little more broadly, and not just blindly state dogma, blame how its been used, not the system itself.

In the ideal world socialism is a near perfect system for all, but will that ever be able to be implemented .... with human nature ... not every likely.

But that said it doesn't mean parts of a socialist system are not good and they can be used successfully.

[Cruor]

Yep, they do seem to be starving because of all that stolen money. It's not like the wages are adjusted to bear the high tax pressure or anything. But sure, to each their own. And fuck everyone else, right? Not like it matters if people around you without any medical coverage just drops dead, right? Who cares.

Its not about making enough to eat. I can make enough to eat working part time and have much more free time. I want a nice luxury car, and to go on nice vacations and have an expensive gaming computer, and eat steak. I don't like my money being stolen from me and preventing me from having those things. Yes, I would rather have a V8 Jaguar XJR and have people die in the street than having to settle for a shitty 3.0 V6 XJ and having people steal my money.

Assisting someone who worked at a factory for 10 years and then the factory closed is ok (as long as its not long term welfare)

Paying someone for life so they can sit home and post on mmo champion and play WoW all day off my money is NOT ok. Can you not understand the difference?

As I stated, people are getting free food/medical/rent for the most insae little things in Europe. "I get nervous around others so I cant work" - ok heres taxpayer money. "My foot hurts I can't work" - k np heres free money "I have ADD I cant work" - cool np man live for free.

Its bullshit. I am thankful not to live in Europe.

[Adam Jensen]

The Soviet Union (Russian: Сове́тский Сою́з, tr. Sovetsky Soyuz; IPA: [sɐˈvʲɛt͡skʲɪj sɐˈjus]), officially the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR; Russian: Сою́з Сове́тских Социалисти́ческих Респу́блик (СССР), tr. Soyuz Sovetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik (SSSR); IPA: [sɐˈjus sɐˈvʲɛtskʲɪx sətsɨəlʲɪsˈtʲitɕɪskʲɪx rʲɪˈspublʲɪk] (About this sound listen)), also known unofficially as Russia[8] (Russian: Росси́я, tr. Rossiya; IPA: [rɐˈsʲijə]), was a socialist state in Eurasia that existed from 1922 to 1991. Nominally a union of multiple equal national Soviet republics,[a] its government and economy were highly centralized. The country was a one-party federation, governed by the Communist Party with Moscow as its capital.

The North Koreans call their nation "Democratic" and the Nazis described themselves as "Socialist" (National Socialist Worker's Party.) Neither were what they claimed to be.

Furthermore, there are many variations of socialism and communism and not all of them lead to authoritarianism.

[Eggroll]

Humans are social beings, not lone wolves. they depend on one another. Human society only works well if society is structured accordingly. It has nothing to do with someone "owing" someone else something. It is imo very short sighted to boil this question down to a material aspect.

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As I stated, people are getting free food/medical/rent for the most insae little things in Europe. "I get nervous around others so I cant work" - ok heres taxpayer money. "My foot hurts I can't work" - k np heres free money "I have ADD I cant work" - cool np man live for free.

Its bullshit. I am thankful not to live in Europe.

Seriously Americans where do you even hear that kind of stuff ? Everything you cited is just plain false or exaggeration

ADD isn't even considered a real thing where I live

[Cruor]

Seriously Americans where do you even hear that kind of stuff ? Everything you cited is just plain false or exaggeration

ADD isn't even considered a real thing where I live

People on this very forum trying to explain why they don't have to work, that's where I got it. Also from working in Germany for a while and talking to people. I slightly exaggerated for humor but you can be an able bodied person with some slight issue and get out of work.

[Kalis]

Thats like saying cars are evil because they kill thousands of people a year .... no its the people behind the wheel driving those cars that are the problem, a car without a driver does nothing. A system without people running it is nothing but an concept or idea, its how its used that counts. Socialism is not evil or bad ... but some of the people who have used it were. So try and at least think a little more broadly, and not just blindly state dogma, blame how its been used, not the system itself.

In the ideal world socialism is a near perfect system for all, but will that ever be able to be implemented .... with human nature ... not every likely.

But that said it doesn't mean parts of a socialist system are not good and they can be used successfully.

Socialism is vile system because it does not work, which leads to a failed nation, which leads to deaths, often on a large scale.

To claim that socialism is not evil would require evidence that it is not, whereas every time it is implemented people die en masse, at some point you have to point the finger of blame at socialism - otherwise that way lies the oft repeated claim of No true Socialism and some moron thinks that it will work next time...hi Venezuela!

If you want to use a non-political/economic system as an analogy, then socialism is asbestos, in theory it fireproofs your house, but it will kill you.

The North Koreans call their nation "Democratic" and the Nazis described themselves as "Socialist" (National Socialist Worker's Party.) Neither were what they claimed to be.

Furthermore, there are many variations of socialism and communism and not all of them lead to authoritarianism.

Which version of socialism or communism has led to a successful nation? Which has not led to authoritarianism?

And as the USSR was a Socialist state, then your North Korean example does not work as an equivalence.

[Deleted]

To claim that socialism is not evil would require evidence that it is not

No, actually it needs evidence it is evil. See basic logic.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/...-Non-Existence

[Sky High]

This is a meaningless comment though. What you think is moral or civil is based on your values. Values however are not universal.

that's nice honey.