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    Government approved arms sales to 20 countries on its list of human rights abusers

    Government approved arms sales to 20 countries on its own list of human rights abusers, say campaigners

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7853416.html

    The Government has approved licences for arms deals to two-thirds of the countries on its own list of human rights abusers, a campaign group has said.

    Boris Johnson's Foreign Office released its annual human rights report on Friday including a list of 30 countries, like Bahrain, China, Saudi Arabia and Israel, it had given “priority” status in 2016.

    But in the same year, the Campaign Against Arms Trade (CAAT) said, the UK licensed £820m of arms to 20 countries on the list.

    Mr Johnson said in his foreword to the report into the UK’s efforts to advance global human rights: “Promoting the values that Britain holds dear is not an optional extra, still less a vainglorious addition to our diplomacy; it is in keeping with centuries of tradition. This is part of who we are.”

    CAAT's Andrew Smith told The Independent: “These are the countries where even the Government accepts that serious human rights abuses and conflicts are taking place, yet it is still pushing arms to these regimes.

    “We have no way of knowing what abuses these arms may fuel, or who they will be used against.

    “The Government will no doubt tell us how rigorous and robust its system supposedly is, but it is actively arming and supporting many of the most brutal dictatorships in the world.

    “If [Theresa] May and her colleagues want to promote human rights and democracy then they must stop selling arms to unstable and repressive regimes.”

    A Department for International Trade spokeswoman said: “The UK Government takes its defence export responsibilities very seriously and operates one of the most robust export control regimes in the world.

    “We rigorously examine every application on a case-by-case basis against the consolidated EU and national arms export licencing criteria.

    “We draw on all available information, including reports from NGOs and our overseas network, and our export licencing system allows us to respond quickly to changing facts on the ground.

    “We have suspended or revoked licences when the level of risk changes and we constantly review local situations.”

    The Foreign Office has also been contacted for comment.

    While it is not on the list of priority countries, the Foreign Office identified Thailand's repression of political expression as a concern, adding that since the 2014 military coup, “sedition and lèse-majesté laws have been used to restrict the media, free speech and the right to protest, and harsh sentences have been applied in some instances”.

    Government defence export statistics from 2015 described "notable success stories" of UK companies winning contracts there and in Malaysia, another state the Foreign Office report said was clamping down on free expression in 2016.

    The UK has faced particular criticism over its sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia, which is leading a coalition against Houthi rebels in Yemen. Thousands have been killed including in air strikes by Saudi Arabia.

    Last year the parliamentary committee charged with scrutinising arms exports said it was likely that British weapons had been used to violate international law.

    The Saudis stand accused of bombing multiple international hospitals run by the charity Médecins Sans Frontières, as well as schools, wedding parties and food factories.

    Elsewhere in its report, the Foreign Office said the UK "continued to have significant human rights concerns in China".

    Despite "some improvements in economic and social rights" civil and political freedoms were subject to "increasing restrictions", it said.

    So-called conversion therapy, also known as "gay cure" therapy, was still widely available in the country despite UN condemnation, while ethnic and religious groups, as well as prominent bloggers, also faced crackdowns.

    The Foreign Office said a particular concern was the detention without trial of human rights lawyers, adding that it had raised human rights with China's leaders "robustly and at every level".

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    Human right are the same thing as war crimes they just exist to punish the losing side in a war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primalmatter View Post
    Human right are the same thing as war crimes they just exist to punish the losing side in a war.
    Im sure you would be happy to relinquish yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    Im sure you would be happy to relinquish yours.
    Naturally not but I don't believe that in war they last long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primalmatter View Post
    Naturally not but I don't believe that in war they last long.
    Are you in war?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    Are you in war?
    Right now no... given my profession it is a likely hood. Will I actually participate in any fighting? Not likely less things go horribly wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primalmatter View Post
    Right now no... given my profession it is a likely hood. Will I actually participate in any fighting? Not likely less things go horribly wrong.
    I'd prefer if you didnt participate either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    I'd prefer if you didnt participate either.
    Me as well to be honest. I have no desire to risk my person for a cause that I don't really believe in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primalmatter View Post
    Me as well to be honest. I have no desire to risk my person for a cause that I don't really believe in.
    need to have the best out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    need to have the best out there.
    I honestly wonder if we do. I can't see what we are accomplishing. It seems a empty gesture at best. We are not making their lives better. It isn't a defensive war. We won't gain anything that will even make us a profit.

    I need the check but it feels like a waste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primalmatter View Post
    I honestly wonder if we do. I can't see what we are accomplishing. It seems a empty gesture at best. We are not making their lives better. It isn't a defensive war. We won't gain anything that will even make us a profit.

    I need the check but it feels like a waste.
    define profit. At least in the US case, its not always a profit, but contractors profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    define profit. At least in the US case, its not always a profit, but contractors profit.
    National I suppose.

    We are just bumping a dead thread though at this point you know though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primalmatter View Post
    National I suppose.

    We are just bumping a dead thread though at this point you know though.
    not bothered by that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primalmatter View Post
    National I suppose.

    We are just bumping a dead thread though at this point you know though.
    Well, at least it's not a news necro summoned from the 20th page of Google.

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    Don't tax the rich or huge companies to give everyone else a better life, just sell military equipment to dangerous pseudo-democracies and dictatorships. And don't forget to reduce that health spending bill.
    As long as they get more money, they don't care who is killed by their policies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lollis View Post
    Don't tax the rich or huge companies to give everyone else a better life, just sell military equipment to dangerous pseudo-democracies and dictatorships. And don't forget to reduce that health spending bill.
    As long as they get more money, they don't care who is killed by their policies.
    I'd feel the same way though, if I could get some money. And I didn't have to actually pull the trigger or watch any of the shit go down.

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    The British government arming tyrants, well some things never change.
    Don't worry I doubt it'll make a dent in the US's market.
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