Would you be willing to undergo security check to enter church / synagogue / mosque?

[Eyechewer]

Hello.

Topic really says everything I wanted to say but I'll give a small background I guess.
A few days ago 2 Israeli officers were killed in Jerusalem, specifically in al-aqsa mosque, one of the holiest places of islam, while on guard duty. [more info here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...yers-shooting/ ]

Because of this incident, the Israeli government installed metal detectors in the entrances to the site for additional security. This was met with outrage, violent protests and riots on the palestinian side.

Due to this protest, the Israeli government caved and instead are now installing security cameras. This is again met with even stronger protests and calls to violence.

Now - I am not interested in talking about Israel or Palestine specifically, but rather the security checks. I'm an atheist so I really have no opinion on the matter, but is it so far fetched to demand a security check before entering a "holy place"? Why is it any different than a security check when you enter the mall or an airport? Is there some reason behind the protests or is this just an excuse to riot?

Suppose your local church / synagogue / mosque / whatever had security cameras and security guards at the entrance. Would you agree to enter?

[Freighter]

Really no reason to have one there if you don't have one for grocery stores or such. If someone wants as many victims as possible, they could just go attacking people in rush hour, at a mall or such rather than a place of worship.

I know no mall that has security checks, I've always been able to enter freely?

[Xarkan]

Really no reason to have one there if you don't have one for grocery stores or such. If someone wants as many victims as possible, they could just go attacking people in rush hour, at a mall or such rather than a place of worship.

I know no mall that has security checks, I've always been able to enter freely?

So you suggest that Mosques or Synagogues that face a stream of threats just assume that the villain will attack a market and not protect themselves?

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Me not being a religious person may taint this perspective but if threats were given i would much prefer that the appropriate steps were taken

And for Synagogues and Mosques the stream of threats is sufficiently common and as proven by reality real so they should protect themselves and the flocks

[Freighter]

So you suggest that Mosques or Synagogues that face a stream of threats just assume that the villain will attack a market and not protect themselves?

If someone wanted to attack a place of worship then security cameras or security guards will not stop them from doing so.

[TheDestinatus]

So you suggest that Mosques or Synagogues that face a stream of threats just assume that the villain will attack a market and not protect themselves?

Edit: To answer the op

Me not being a religious person may taint this perspective but if threats were given i would much prefer that the appropriate steps were taken

And for Synagogues and Mosques the stream of threats is sufficiently common and as proven by reality real so they should protect themselves and the flocks

Yeah, non religious people don't talk like that, wouldn't it just be nicer to be honest about who you are so that other people don't have to deal with tainted information?

[s_bushido]

Now - I am not interested in talking about Israel or Palestine specifically

You can't just remove the political context from something like this...especially when it's Israel/Palestine, or when it comes to Muslims. No one was suggesting that the government forcibly install security in black churches after Roof murdered a bunch of people in one, but any time a Muslim does something it's "raid the mosques!" and "shut them down!"

[INVASMANIXOXOXO]

If someone wanted to attack a place of worship then security cameras or security guards will not stop them from doing so.

The whole Israel conflict is a dumpster fire from my point of view and I don't want myself or the US having anything to do with it. That being said I think the metal detectors could have some value to protecting Israeli soldiers putting their lives on the line for security. Yeah hamas or w/e could just go to a grocery store/market or whatever but killing an IDF soldier is pretty much stamping your ticket to your 72 virgins isn't it?

[Endus]

Before this gets too far off-track, it bears repeating that the outcry from Muslim groups wasn't because they would have to go through metal detectors, it was because the site is supposed to be co-managed by Israel and the Jerusalem Islamic Waqf, funded by Jordan. And Israel's actions here were unilateral, without consulting their counterparts, which was seen as an attempt to exert total control over the site, which they do not actually have.

Had they worked with the Waqf, they likely could have put in the same measures with no outcry at all; it's their unilateral action despite the Waqf's supposed control of the site that's the issue.

http://www.pjstar.com/zz/news/201707...etal-detectors

If you want an analogy, imagine you're on your HOA's board as President and show up at every meeting, and your HOA manages a small park for kids in the neighbourhood in addition to everything else. Now imagine you take your kids to the park on a Sunday, and it's surrounded by razor wire and metal detectors to get in. It was Sally down the street, who isn't even ON the HOA board, who put that stuff in. You'd rightly be pissed at Sally and demand she take that shit down. Same difference.

[Gatsbybutters]

Security cameras in places of worship should be solid entertainment. Any clip shows on youtube of christians, jews, and muslims killing and blowing each other up yet? Bunch of savages.


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[ezgeze]

That is a shared holy site, meaning, any security measures installed would affect both Israel and Palestine peoples equally. Lets be honest here, the security measures are justified when you have people resorting to violence and killing because it might be harder to sneak in guns and knives into places of prayer to kill your enemies. All those rioters are terrorists and/or terrorist sympathizers. Fuck them.

[INVASMANIXOXOXO]

Security cameras in places of worship should be solid entertainment. Any clip shows on youtube of christians, jews, and muslims killing and blowing each other up yet? Bunch of savages.

=) I am sure there will be a plethora of this going on. I am not anti muslim just intellectually honest.

[Zeta333]

Hello.

Topic really says everything I wanted to say but I'll give a small background I guess.
A few days ago 2 Israeli officers were killed in Jerusalem, specifically in al-aqsa mosque, one of the holiest places of islam, while on guard duty. [more info here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...yers-shooting/ ]

Because of this incident, the Israeli government installed metal detectors in the entrances to the site for additional security. This was met with outrage, violent protests and riots on the palestinian side.

Due to this protest, the Israeli government caved and instead are now installing security cameras. This is again met with even stronger protests and calls to violence.

Now - I am not interested in talking about Israel or Palestine specifically, but rather the security checks. I'm an atheist so I really have no opinion on the matter, but is it so far fetched to demand a security check before entering a "holy place"? Why is it any different than a security check when you enter the mall or an airport? Is there some reason behind the protests or is this just an excuse to riot?

Suppose your local church / synagogue / mosque / whatever had security cameras and security guards at the entrance. Would you agree to enter?

be much better if we abolished and outlawed religion, imagine how much better the world would be. The wars started because of religion, the countless science and scientists lost becuase of religion, the amount of people brainwashed at birth due to it. Why should be constantly protect places of ignorance where people lower thier mental acuity daily to the pretend. Abolish them and allow and allow reason and logic to flow instead of superstition and hatred.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

=) I am sure there will be a plethora of this going on. I am not anti muslim just intellectually honest.

The Troubles weren't a thing. Just saying.

[Xarkan]

Yeah, non religious people don't talk like that, wouldn't it just be nicer to be honest about who you are so that other people don't have to deal with tainted information?

Except i am honest

[Tackhisis]

be much better if we abolished and outlawed religion, imagine how much better the world would be.

Humans cannot live without religion.

[PACOX]

I would find it sad but I wouldn't necessarily protest the government because of it. If the government is only there to ensure the safety and protection of the people then I have no real issue with the government. Security checks dont bother me because I've gone through a lot of them. If they demanded camera be present inside then I would be suspicious.

[Liarparadox]

be much better if we abolished and outlawed religion, imagine how much better the world would be.

Fascists never cease to amaze me.

[Jinpachi]

Maybe one of these days Israel will stop playing nice.

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be much better if we abolished and outlawed religion, imagine how much better the world would be. The wars started because of religion, the countless science and scientists lost becuase of religion, the amount of people brainwashed at birth due to it. Why should be constantly protect places of ignorance where people lower thier mental acuity daily to the pretend. Abolish them and allow and allow reason and logic to flow instead of superstition and hatred.

Holy shit you're drunk on the koolaid. Wars start because of expansionism. Religion is a convenient disguise. "Someone is going to conquer the lands, may as well be me"-every world leader ever.

[Zeta333]

Humans cannot live without religion.

really? i know plenty that do.

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Fascists never cease to amaze me.

im a facist?

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Maybe one of these days Israel will stop playing nice.

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Holy shit you're drunk on the koolaid. Wars start because of expansionism. Religion is a convenient disguise. "Someone is going to conquer the lands, may as well be me"-every world leader ever.

you mean the dark ages wernt becuase of religion? we dont have holy wars in the middle east becuase of religion? we dont have people being executed daily becuase of religion there? sorry but in modern day society religion is the poison. It has no place in schools, it has no place outside your home, it has no place in government. Worship what ever magical deity you want behind your door. forcing other people to follow its rules, making laws around your imaginary friends rules, and killing people becuase of its rules is mind numbingly stupid and only hinders out species at its progression.

[Xargoth6634]

If there were serious potential security concerns, sure.