Ohio factory has jobs available, but 40% of applicants fail drug tests.

[Sky High]

I would think anyone living in Ohio would be high all the time to deal with the fact they live in Ohio.

[Bullettime]

Thats not the point of the topic though its the fact that nearly half the potential workforce is intelligible for employment because of drugs use.

To be fair, if alcohol was something that could be popped, most factory workers would be out of jobs. The fact that the company isn't investing the better drug test says something right there since there are absolutely tests available that can determine when the drug was consumed but they don't use it. Taking a hit at night before bed is bad but hitting the bar and/or coming into work the next day hungover is ok?

I've always thought with drug tests that companies should use impairment checks or start barring alcohol. I have to appeal every drug test because I take prescription tramadol but half my coworkers when doing logistics or even security would get shitfaced every night?

Anecdotes and all that but I've ran into far more issues in those types of jobs with coworkers and alcohol so I'm a bit jaded here.

[judgementofantonidas]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/29/us/ohi...ntv/index.html



So do you legalization advocates think this company and others like it (or any industry, even where the use of dangerous machinery/driving isn't required) should be forced to shell out more of their own money to accommodate drug users? To give more precise (and more expensive) regular drug tests to determine if their employees are showing up to work high or if they are just recreational users during their off hours? Do you think they should just tolerate their employees showing up to worked impaired? Or do you think all people who use and abuse drugs should be precluded from working since the employers can't determine whether they use their drugs while working without spending more and more money?

All of those options are pretty shit, but they have to pick one since more and more idiots are using drugs.

what complany? I am a certified 6G welder currently working for a small shop that provides military components to raytheon. I don't do drugs and would consider moving the family if the price was right.

[Akka]

Again if they want to get better people, they have to deal with the capitalist market like everybody else
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How come other countries with high legal drug usages in the west dont have ultra increased factory death compared to the US? Yet most of these countries make job drugs testing illegal, try figuring this one out.

At a guess, I'd say it's because those other countries tend to NOT let it up to the capitalist market and manage to socialized protection, like social safety net and regulated working conditions (like, you know, mandatory minimal amount of paid vacation, liveable minimal wage, health insurance and so on), which means the low-income people who would apply for factory work don't have as wretched lives.

[Spectral]

God forbid those factories only make 5000% profit instead of 6000% right?

The world is moving towards legalizing weed. You want to be part of the new world, you update your methods and screenings. It's pretty simple.

What do you think the actual typical corporate profit margin is?

[Spectral]

I threw numbers out my ass, and it strongly varies on the type of industry, but almost every successful factory enjoys very strong profits. My point still stands though. Waving your arms around saying 'boo hoo we don't want to buy better drug screening methods'. The world is moving towards legalizing marijuana. Either close down, or deal with it and update your methods. I'm sure the same factories were crying when OSHA came to be as well. Or when child labor laws were abolished.

You realize that it's not like you were off by a little, right? You're off by 2-3 orders of magnitude.

[Deleted]

I fail to see an issue.

youre probably one of them

[Krawu]

You don't see an issue with large portions of the working age able bodied population sitting around getting high instead of working? By their own choice mind you, the jobs are there, they are simply disqualifying themselves with their drug use.

They aren't sitting around getting high, they're obviously out applying for a job. Why even have these retarded drug tests? As long as they don't show up high for work it's none of the employers business what they do on their own time.

[Noomz]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/29/us/ohi...ntv/index.html



So do you legalization advocates think this company and others like it (or any industry, even where the use of dangerous machinery/driving isn't required) should be forced to shell out more of their own money to accommodate drug users? To give more precise (and more expensive) regular drug tests to determine if their employees are showing up to work high or if they are just recreational users during their off hours? Do you think they should just tolerate their employees showing up to worked impaired? Or do you think all people who use and abuse drugs should be precluded from working since the employers can't determine whether they use their drugs while working without spending more and more money?

All of those options are pretty shit, but they have to pick one since more and more idiots are using drugs.

Did you read it? It's opioids that are the problem. Not legalized marijuana.
They've obviously got a screening process and employment process that makes sure they know. So I'm not sure what you're on about.

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At a guess, I'd say it's because those other countries tend to NOT let it up to the capitalist market and manage to socialized protection, like social safety net and regulated working conditions (like, you know, mandatory minimal amount of paid vacation, liveable minimal wage, health insurance and so on), which means the low-income people who would apply for factory work don't have as wretched lives.

Nah such things are evil socialist ideas. Wouldn't want your government to PROTECT people and their rights now would we?
Mostly just truck drivers that abuse drugs around here. Or other people forced to stay awake at odd hours or very long shifts.

[Fencers]

I kinda feel drug users should not be getting jobs.

[Zan15]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/29/us/ohi...ntv/index.html



So do you legalization advocates think this company and others like it (or any industry, even where the use of dangerous machinery/driving isn't required) should be forced to shell out more of their own money to accommodate drug users? To give more precise (and more expensive) regular drug tests to determine if their employees are showing up to work high or if they are just recreational users during their off hours? Do you think they should just tolerate their employees showing up to worked impaired? Or do you think all people who use and abuse drugs should be precluded from working since the employers can't determine whether they use their drugs while working without spending more and more money?

All of those options are pretty shit, but they have to pick one since more and more idiots are using drugs.

i bet 60% of the people whom work there get shit drunk every week.
bet another 20% are impaired on prescription drugs

How do they currently accommodate..and tolerate employees currently who are using "legal" means....?


Seems like selective bullshit......

[Machismo]

Its a dangerous work environment, of course they get to be picky...

Then they do not get to complain when people don't meet the standards they set.

[Garnier Fructis]

They aren't sitting around getting high, they're obviously out applying for a job. Why even have these retarded drug tests? As long as they don't show up high for work it's none of the employers business what they do on their own time.

And if an employer doesn't want people showing up high for work, it stands to reason that they shouldn't hire people who failed their drug tests: i.e. the people who obviously are more likely to show up high.

[TITAN308]

Blame insurance companies and US government safety regulations.

Some of you are pretty clueless lol

[Machismo]

I kinda feel drug users should not be getting jobs.

Which drugs?

Since most people in my country do drugs, that would mean a very small workforce.

[Bryntrollian]

Then they do not get to complain when people don't meet the standards they set.

Can't disagree with you there.

[kail]

Sooo ban marijuana because it's hard to test for? Nice try.

[Dys]

They should stick to the oral test, only administer it after Wednesdays. That specific test only goes back a day or two, and if they're smoking/eating up on a weekday while trying to find work, then they're doing it all kinds of wrong and obviously shouldn't be hired.

Whiny Ohio factory is whiny.

[Fencers]

Which drugs?

Any illegal ones.

Since most people in my country do drugs, that would mean a very small workforce.

Cool. I live in the United States.

[Deleted]

Yeah, I don't give a shit.
Over half the applicants are passing the tests.

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Nope. If the marijuana is legal, then they're contributing by getting high and paying the taxes in it.

60% pass their drug test, that doesn't mean they all are capable of doing said job.

Loosing 40% potential workforce just by drug use is insane.