YouTube going full thought police.

[I Push Buttons]

So Fox News should be forced to give a weekly show to Hillary Clinton? After all , it's a private company with an immense amount of influnce in day to day lives.

Do you think Fox News is a model that should be imitated?

You are literally arguing on behalf of creating an echo chamber...

[Deathquoi]

Don't use YouTube for your hateful content, then? I wonder how many people here complaining about this policy are fullthroated in their support for bakeries that refuse to bake wedding cakes for gay couples?

[Zython]

Lucky for us normal people there is no money to be made from going the sjw / feminism route meaning that sooner or later those annoyances will vanish from our day to day life and entertainment.

? Get Out made WAY more money than The Green Inferno. So...

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He really isn't.

He is an idiot: that is his crime, that is his punishment.

Hmmm...no. He deserve worse.

[Mister Cheese]

Don't use YouTube for your hateful content, then? I wonder how many people here complaining about this policy are fullthroated in their support for bakeries that refuse to bake wedding cakes for gay couples?

I wasn't aware that a guy talking about bible philosophies is hateful content.

[anveena]

You don't see anything wrong with it even though it's a private company with an immense amount of influence in day to day lives? Many celebrities, businesses and even government officials make use of Youtube so it's not as if it's only used for entertainment purposes.

Every other media outlet gets to choose who they bring on their platform and what is published and posted on them. I don't see any reason why youtube should be the exception to this.

[Vyuvarax]

I don't watch Pewdiepie, the video in question was the first time I watched any of his videos. The videos were clearly not meant to be taken seriously and while not funny, it wasn't offensive either.

What is offensive is subjective; however, being offensive is intentional. Even in the "Death to Jews" video, he feigns offense. Its evident he knows that his material will offend.

If you constantly attack one group while ignoring groups of similar ideologies that have the same shortcomings, you mean to offend to the benefit of those that either find your offenses benign or reaffirming.

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If you constantly attack one group while ignoring groups of similar ideologies that have the same shortcomings, you mean to offend to the benefit of those that either find your offenses benign or reaffirming.

Alternatively you just don't have an extensive selection of jokes to make because you aren't that funny.

[Mormolyce]

This week in hilarity: right wing shitlords afraid they will be targeted by methods intended to limit ISIS recruiting.

We’ve started rolling out features from Jigsaw’s Redirect Method to YouTube. When people search for sensitive keywords on YouTube, they will be redirected towards a playlist of curated YouTube videos that directly confront and debunk violent extremist messages. We also continue to amplify YouTube voices speaking out against hate and radicalization through our YouTube Creators for Change program.

Jigsaw, the Google-owned tech incubator and think tank—until recently known as Google Ideas—has been working over the past year to develop a new program it hopes can use a combination of Google's search advertising algorithms and YouTube's video platform to target aspiring ISIS recruits and ultimately dissuade them from joining the group's cult of apocalyptic violence. The program, which Jigsaw calls the Redirect Method and plans to launch in a new phase this month, places advertising alongside results for any keywords and phrases that Jigsaw has determined people attracted to ISIS commonly search for. Those ads link to Arabic- and English-language YouTube channels that pull together preexisting videos Jigsaw believes can effectively undo ISIS's brainwashing—clips like testimonials from former extremists, imams denouncing ISIS's corruption of Islam, and surreptitiously filmed clips inside the group's dysfunctional caliphate in Northern Syria and Iraq.

https://www.wired.com/2016/09/google...isis-recruits/

Glove fits, huh?

Ahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Actually, i want the first amendment to apply to the internet and everything in the internet.

It already does, the government can't throw you in jail for exercising your free speech on the internet.

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So YouTube is essentially becoming standard media.

Truly my outrage cannot be contained.

Yes a lot of people miss this point.

While they're in here having the usual partisan poo-flinging match over whether this will cause their favourite shitlord Youtuber to lose some revenue, they miss the Youtube policy that's been in place for what, a year now? Which states that things like SWEARING can get you demonitised.

So yeah. All those people dancing a jig on the grave of the "MSM" might want to stop and think about the fact that in reality, the "alternative media" is simply going to become the new "MSM".

There must always be a Mainstream King!

[Deathquoi]

I wasn't aware that a guy talking about bible philosophies is hateful content.

Where does it say that bible philosophy videos will be targeted?

[Mormolyce]

What alternatives are there to YouTube?

Apart from Pornhub?

Thing is, there's a lot of video hosting sites. I don't know if many have revenue sharing models though.

See that's the real point. These Youtubers may complain about losing revenue here but it's not like they can't get their videos hosted anywhere. They just can't get paid to do it. They ransomed their creative freedom the moment they started accepting money for these videos, and this is them suddenly starting to figure that out.

Why do you think mainstream media like TV is so creatively restrictive? The exact same market forces.

[bowchikabow]

You can't have it both ways. The group of idiots that claim YouTube is a private company is, at least in part, also part of the group that claims the Internet should be considered a public utility. If you have one, you cannot have the other. If the Internet is to be considered a public utility (vital to the sustainment, or some derivative thereof) then YT must conform to Governmental regulation, including free speech requirements. If YT is to remain private, then the argument for the Internet being a public utility falls apart for the same reason.

I hope someone is working on an alternative to YouTube... And I hope they can get the name out there in force enough to compete with YT. Make the policy simple: All viewpoints will be considered. Disagreement of one persons view shall not constitute harassment or, by virtue of their opposition to your view, be deemed threatening to you. Our primary standard is that the material must not directly threaten another persons health, life, well-being, safety. With regard to these standards, safety is defined as investigative and provable threat against a person or persons as result of direction or indication by another user. In such cases where a content creator has directed or indicated that a particular person is to, or may be, targeted.. That user will have their content creation suspended pending a full, and openly disclosed investigation (within such privacy guidelines as outlined by multiple law and standing).

In a nutshell: Make a video hosting site, keep the message simple and clear, get advertisers (there are plenty, look at the Daily Wire, Louder with Crowder etc.. they have plenty of advertisers).. The viewers will come. And someone needs to pull the reins on Patreon. They are starting fall into the same lockstep trap as YT.

[Unhinged]

I wasn't aware that a guy talking about bible philosophies is hateful content.

It's nothing about hateful content. It's all about advertisers not wanting associate themselves witha bunch of topics.

This is all about maximizing profit via advertising. It's not about anything else other than extracting the maxium amount of profit. You don't do that by pissing off your advertiser's by sticking their ads on videos they want nothing to do with.

You are mentally ill if you think otherwise.

[Armakus]

it happens when liberals infect the minds of companies.

"liberals" = people who don't think all muslims are terrorists, evidently.

[Elba]

He really isn't.

He is an idiot: that is his crime, that is his punishment.

If you watch the video in question it is much the same as bad taste humour such as 'allo 'allo or even The Producers.
I'm not sure Pewdiepie is actually capable intellectually of subscribing to a white supremacist or anti-semitic ideology.

TIL why context is important...

Hope next we go after all the Hollywood actors that have used an nazi uniform, we must out all those bastards!

Are the people who were apart of Monty Python also Antisemitic? They've dressed in Nazi clothing for comedic bits, or do YouTuber not get the right to do those jokes for fear of being labeled? Defending someone with facts, doesn't make someone an Antisemitic. Just like telling a Jewish joke or racial joke doesn't make you an anti-Semite or a racist.

As for the advertiser, not this is about the implementation of their new policies. YouTube is quick to demonetize independent individual channel for anything that is questionable even channels who report on the exact same news shown on other channels.

So, what is the joke? What is being satirized?

[Zmaniac17]

No - the content is the product you are a consumer.

I think this went over your head. I don't mean that as an insult. Here's the idea in plain English.


"If something is free, you are the product"

Company A provides a service for free. People use that free service. Company B pays Company A to advertise to the users. The transaction is your views being sold by Company A to Company B. That is where the phrase "you are the product" comes from.

[Mormolyce]

True, but had it been this restrictive in it's inception it probably wouldn't have gained the viewership and virtual monopoly as the #1 video content creative site. I hope this drives new creators to new platforms that allow people to put their content out there and let viewers and advertiser chooses who to view and support. If an advertiser pulls their funding so be it, their loss of as well.

Thing is, is didn't have revenue sharing at the start, and back then the internet was a wilderness beneath the notice of society at large, regulators or advertisers. Remember Web 1.0? Ah the good old days, when it was just angry nerds, pictures of cats and pedophiles. Decent folk.

Old Youtube was actually very different, I get a weird kind of culture shock looking back at videos more than ~5-10 years old. It only got all slick and semi-professional pretty recently. No doubt the money drove that too.

[Deathcries]

Youtube is not subject to the First Amendment as it is not a government agency. Don't like it? Find another platform.

I'm just curious. How many right ring sites or what you consider right wing sites ban free speech from the left? I know reddit had the owner changing speech. Twitter has banned right wing speakers from speaking, but has left up radical BLM post, and Antifa talking about violence on others being left up, and the list goes on.

Come to think about it has we all know the left has been known to use violence to try and get it's point across. Just look at Milo and Berkeley. Has the right ever rioted when they don't get their way? At least here in America. I'm sure you're going to try and bring up the Nazi's like they have anything to do with right leaning ideologies, which to be honest as a right leaning person agree with any of the Nazi platform.

[Venant]

I'm just curious. How many right ring sites or what you consider right wing sites ban free speech from the left? I know reddit had the owner changing speech. Twitter has banned right wing speakers from speaking, but has left up radical BLM post, and Antifa talking about violence on others being left up, and the list goes on.

Come to think about it has we all know the left has been known to use violence to try and get it's point across. Just look at Milo and Berkeley. Has the right ever rioted when they don't get their way? At least here in America. I'm sure you're going to try and bring up the Nazi's like they have anything to do with right leaning ideologies, which to be honest as a right leaning person agree with any of the Nazi platform.

The left attracts ambitious amoral people who seek power. Of course, these base motivations are considered unsightly, so everything gets covered in the pseudo religion of progressivism. Isn't it strange that these people always claim to be the underdogs, yet for the past 2 centuries the wheel of history has been turning left? Why is it that if you called for equal rights in 1950 you were a far left progressive, and if you call for equal rights in 2017 you are labeled a racist? I suppose this line of reasoning might make people question the 'narrative', which is why allowing people to share such thoughts is so dangerous.

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So, what is the joke? What is being satirized?

It is really better to watch the videos in question rather than get the information secondhand. I doubt you can possibly think PewdiePie was a racist after watching them.

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I'm just curious. How many right ring sites or what you consider right wing sites ban free speech from the left?

Once again. The youtube demonetization crackdown followed a hatchet job on the most successful current youtuber PewdiePie by the Wall Street Journal.

The Wall Street Journal is a right wing newspaper. Right-wing, not left-wing. It is owned by the same company that owns Fox news. The article directly led to a mass pullout of advertisers and the Google changes.

There is no liberal left-wing sjw conspiracy except in your own delusional mind.

[Attackrabbit]

Seeing as I use Youtube for listening to classical/Happy Hardcore/DnB music, watching videos of RC Planes or BMX/MTB I don't think this will affect anything I watch. My GF on the other hand spends hours at a time on Youtube watching some of the most boring/useless/pointless but apparently super controversial and important for the whole world to know about crap I can ever imagine as well as watching people play games she could be playing herself. If this change could even possibly make her use it less then I'm all for it