Car ploughs through protesters at Charlottesville Alt-Right rally

[Ragnarocket]

160 pages and people are still in full whataboutism swing, I see.

It'll be going strong in another 160 pages...

[Elba]

Nazis are bad. Nazis being Nazis is nobody's fault but the Nazis.

[Ripster42]

Umm. So what's all this shit about not responding with hate when it's Islamic terrorism? People keep saying hatred feeds them and makes them kill.

If it's justification for Nazi terrorism, it's certainly justification for Islamic terrorism.

There's a fundamental difference between a religion and an ideology based on ethnic cleansing. People who support ethnic cleansing are already evil people for believing in ethnic cleansing. Muslims aren't evil for being muslims. You're not going to radicalize people who believe in ethnic cleansing by hating people who believe in ethnic cleansing. They're already radicalized.

[Theinquisition]

Nazis and communists are bad. Nazis being Nazis and communists being communists are nobody's fault but their own.

fixedforyou

[Elba]

I wish you some self awareness.

-SNIP-

Nah, both sides are bad doesn't work if one side is fucking Nazis.

[Livnthedream]

You keep complaining that this is somehow "wrong". When this is exactly what free speech exists to protect. What you're advocating for is not freedom of speech. It's an authoritarian regime where everyone else is forcibly silenced to protect you.

If you've made public statements, you have opened yourself to and invited public scrutiny. That's the "dig through it and find what I don't like" bit. If you don't want that, do not make public statements. Keep your thoughts private. You don't get to complain that public statements are listened to by the public.

And "making a stink about it" is literally them expressing their own freedom of speech. That's all it is. Which is where you attack the principle, while falsely claiming you're defending it.

As for the "your life is ruined" bit; the only person responsible for ruining your life, in this circumstance, is you, for making the execrable statements in the first place. If I were to say "I like kittens", telling my employer "Endus likes kittens" isn't going to get you any reaction but confusion. It certainly won't ruin my life. Because my statement was benign. If your statement wasn't, and people are shocked and horrified at your views, that is entirely your fault, and your option to avoid that was to keep your mouth shut about it, not try and restrict everyone else's rights to speak out in response to your own public statements.

So you agree that people should have been banned for pointing out that this:



sounds an awful lot like gay conversion therapy? Because that seems to be what you are in favor of. Almost like 'rules' don't apply to certain people.

[Zeth Hawkins]

In Charlottesville? This weekend? Really not true.

Charlottesville did not occur in a vacuum, as you know. Refusal to acknowledge what lead to it and inevitable similar events in the future is pitiable denial.

[Theinquisition]

Nah, both sides are bad doesn't work if one side is fucking Nazis.

And if the other side are communists who literally advocate putting dissents into gulags?

[Birujinia]

You seem to have missed my point. Let me try to restate slower so you can catch on.

Your logic is bad.

If this group is not a victim because of x. Then that other group was not a victim because of x.

Because I don't agree with you, my logic is bad?


One group's member killed a woman and you are making excuses for them.

We're not talking about something that happened months ago. We're talking about something that happen a few days in Charlottesville, Va. by a certain group's member.

[Livnthedream]

Nazis are bad. Nazis being Nazis is nobody's fault but the Nazis.

Except that whole thing about there being only a handful of Nazi's in that much, much larger group of people.

[Theinquisition]

Because I don't agree with you, my logic is bad?


One group's member killed a woman and you are making excuses for them.

We're not talking about something that happened months ago. We're talking about something that happen a few days in Charlottesville, Va. by a certain group's member.

Then prosecute the guy and put him in prison.

[Elba]

fixedforyou

Communists are pretty great, though. And they have yet to run someone over with a car.

Antifa kill count: 0 White supremacist kill count: 13 in the last two years.

Also: "160 pages and people are still in full whataboutism swing, I see."

[Edge-]

So you agree that people should have been banned for pointing out that this:



sounds an awful lot like gay conversion therapy? Because that seems to be what you are in favor of. Almost like 'rules' don't apply to certain people.

Still not understanding how you connect that post to what Endus and I wrote in the slightest, dude.

Did that post really bother you that much or something? Seems like one person sharing their opinion in response to another person sharing their opinion.

You know, free speech.

[Livnthedream]

Because I don't agree with you, my logic is bad?


One group's member killed a woman and you are making excuses for them.

We're not talking about something that happened months ago. We're talking about something that happen a few days in Charlottesville, Va. by a certain group's member.

TIL logic is dependent on agreement! Who knew! Philosophy is truly dead.

[Machismo]

fixedforyou

Earlier, you were trying to push a bullshit narrative about the course of events, that had already been refuted earlier in the thread by people who were actually there. It's almost as if you copy/pasted it from a Reddit page, without bothering to do your research. You used to at least garner some respect for your opinions. I'm pretty sure anyone who read what you typed last night has all but given up on you. You were straight up repeating demonstrably false information.

[Elba]

So you agree that people should have been banned for pointing out that this:



sounds an awful lot like gay conversion therapy? Because that seems to be what you are in favor of. Almost like 'rules' don't apply to certain people.

Ooooor you could not be lying and take that tweet out of context?

She was talking about what a guy could do with his trans girlfriend. The "have" refers, as anybody who speaks English understands, to consent on the guy part.

[Ripster42]

Bullshit. I'm not applauding anything. That woman didn't deserve to be harmed, let alone die. No one there did. But spend 5 minutes on YouTube watching videos of leftist punch people in the face or hit them in the head with tire irons only to run away into the mob. They started this. No one has the right to assault another individual for speech. Yes, the "Nazis" are horrible human beings. I won't get worked up if they get smacked in the mouth spewing their hate. But I'm not going to get worked up with some Nazi punches an ANTIFA member in the face either.

You seem to think it's perfectly acceptable to have thousands of far left protesters show up and then say "Well, most of them weren't ANTIFA." But you ignore that most of the ALTRIGHT members there aren't "Nazis". As long as the people committing violence or property damage were left aligned, you were ok with it. Now they're reaping what they sew. I don't applaud any of it.

It was a white supremacist rally. Most people don't really make much of any distinction between people who attend white supremacist rallies and nazis, and rightfully so.

People who aren't fucked in the head also don't defend nazis and white supremacists.

[Livnthedream]

Still not understanding how you connect those two in the slightest, dude.

Because much of gay conversion therapy was doing things like making gay people watch straight porn, usually facilitated by drugs, until they liked it, and similar stupid shit.

[Theinquisition]

Communists are pretty great, though. And they have yet to run someone over with a car.

Antifa kill count: 0 White supremacist kill count: 13 in the last two years.



Also: "160 pages and people are still in full whataboutism swing, I see."

lol, naaa they just killed 100 million over the last 100 years.

Stalin was right I guess, kill one and it's a tragedy, kill a million and it's a statistic.

[Elba]

Except that whole thing about there being only a handful of Nazi's in that much, much larger group of people.

Which ones weren't Nazis?

The ones with the swastika flags? The ones chanting "Jew will not replace us"?

Dude, they marched in lock step.