Protesters destroy confederate monument in Durham

[cubby]

How about we just don't judge them. It's not about glorifying the past. It's about remembering it. Remembering why we had a civil war. Remembering those who gave their lives that we could learn the lessons of their mistakes.

Sounds good to me. Could we, at the same time, not celebrate those that fought for slavery? Perhaps not put up monuments that celebrate them? Remembering is not the same thing as celebrating, just in case I wasn't clear.

Remember the past. Celebrate victories over tyranny. But let's get rid of the statues of people who fought for slavery, eh?

[Tijuana]

I wasn't talking about laws I'm talking about ideology. The same toxic mindset that brought about those two eras is alive and well in modern day racists and again and again, they vote Republican.

Yeah but others making the leap that because racists vote Republican, that makes all Republicans racist. That's idiotic.

[Garnier Fructis]

Many presidents entered office during a recession. But only the two Democrats who have done so made the recession last years and years, instead of the typical two fiscal quarters. It is what it is...leftist and socialist policies lead to slow growth. History doesn't lie.

Hoover didn't enter office during a recession; the depression began after. And what's your source for recessions typically lasting two fiscal quarters?

[cubby]

My stance too.
Was a shameful period of time in human history that it's best remembered so we can avoid it in the future; Not cowardly destroyed so that it seems it never happened.

How do you equate removing statutes with "it seems like it never happened"? Who is advocating to forget the past?

[Shadowmelded]

But a lot of these statues were built in the beginning of the 20th century, years after the war. Why were these monuments built in the first place? To pander to the Southeners whos feelings were still hurt because the lost their treacherous war?

Erected during the KKK resurgence of the 1920s.

[Tijuana]

Conservatives would have voted for the Slave-holders in the 1850s, and segregationists of the 1950s. They're currently voting for Republicans.

What part of that do you not understand? The Republican patron-saint Ronald Reagan began his campaign in Philadelphia Mississippi (you know, the town where three civil rights workers were brutally murdered by the Klan) proclaiming how much he loves states rights.

You mean the Klan that was 100% all Democrats, and was even called the "Domestic Terrorism Wing of the Democrat Party"? Again, the history is what it is. Perceived slights and imagined bigotry is NOTHING compared to what the Democrat party did to this country for 150 years.

[Darkeon]

How do you equate removing statutes with "it seems like it never happened"? Who is advocating to forget the past?

I got a feeling that the type of people that pull a statue down - to kick that inanimate object and spit in it - have little to no desire of actually keeping the statue, let alone what it represents.

[cubby]

Hoover didn't enter office during a recession; the depression began after. And what's your source for recessions typically lasting two fiscal quarters?

As usual, he's confused. Recessions are defined by two fiscal quarters - economic movement, etc. Plus, the reference to two democrats entering and making worse are just factually incorrect, again as usual.

[Tijuana]

So you're really trying to argue that neo-Nazis and the KKK who idolize Hitler aren't right-wing?

Seriously?

I'm saying racism has nothing to do with right or left wing. Yes, that is what I am saying. Bigotry has lived on all sides, left, right, up and down. Just because racists don't like a party that panders to minorities doesn't mean the other party is racist. It's not hard to figure out that logic, yet here we are.

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I am all for tearing down Confederate monuments, but the whole kicking and spitting thing is a bit too much for me.

Committing acts of vandalism (and thus an actual crime) because you don't like something isn't really an acceptable way to go about things. There are proper, legal steps you can take if you think a monument should not be there.

[cubby]

I got a feeling that the type of people that pull a statue down - to kick that inanimate object and spit in it - have little to no desire of actually keeping the statue, let alone what it represents.

I agree. It represents those who fought to keep slavery. That's why they tore it down. Because we shouldn't celebrate slavery.

How many statues of Hitler do you see hanging around?

[Tijuana]

He insisted the words be added for propaganda purposes. Someone who sought the same goals as Marx wouldn't have repressed the KPD and SPD.

Are you legit making the case that Hitler demanded Socialist be added to the party name yet secretly was against Socialism? Really? Really you are going with that? Ok then....

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That's blatantly wrong. You claimed he was a socialist that somehow thought nationalism would be more popular? In fact it was exactly the other way round. Nationalism and national purity were just interesting for a small majority, the socialist policies were necessary for Hitler to get in power.

He thought that class rhetoric would not be sufficient to get the people to rise up. He and Mussolini both shared this view.

[D3thray]

Lincoln can be forgiven because despite his racism, he still didn't believe that human beings should be the property of other people, and he actively pushed to free black people from slavery.

The Confederates were racists who also wanted to keep people as property, supported people getting brutally raped and murdered at the whim of their "master", AND openly rebelled against the United States of America.

Furthermore, modern Confederate sympathizers STILL believe that black people are inferior to them and if they had their way, would probably have no issue with enslaving them again, or murdering them altogether.

I hate to break it to you but Abe wasn't a racist. It's what you do that makes you a racist, not what you think. He's not even close to racist. You're in favor of controlling thought. Unfortunately not only is that a futile endeavor, it really speaks to a level of intolerance I can't begin to fathom. I could think all left handed people are devil spawn and out to control the world, but if I treat them the same as anyone else, what is the difference.

The ones showing hatred thru actions are the yokels tearing down statues for a pat to their own egos.

[Tijuana]

But neo-nazi's love capitalism. Doesn't compute bro

Yet REAL Nazis were Socialist. What doesn't compute?

[Darkeon]

I agree. It represents those who fought to keep slavery. That's why they tore it down. Because we shouldn't celebrate slavery.

How many statues of Hitler do you see hanging around?

Feel free not to like it. Feel free to take your kids to the museum where they are at and tell them "See kids, that's one person we must all strive to not become".
Learn from the past. Remember it. Don't try to erase it because then it's bound to happen again.

[Deleted]

I'm saying racism has nothing to do with right or left wing. Yes, that is what I am saying. Bigotry has lived on all sides, left, right, up and down. Just because racists don't like a party that panders to minorities doesn't mean the other party is racist. It's not hard to figure out that logic, yet here we are.

Tijuana is factually correct here. Racism and bigotry doesn't fall on the left/right political spectrum.

[cubby]

I'm saying racism has nothing to do with right or left wing. Yes, that is what I am saying. Bigotry has lived on all sides, left, right, up and down. Just because racists don't like a party that panders to minorities doesn't mean the other party is racist. It's not hard to figure out that logic, yet here we are.

What bigotry are you seeing from the modern left? Are you seeing a lot of racism from the ACLU lately? Please stop with your ridiculous statements - they are factually and intellectually incorrect.

[Deleted]

Yet REAL Nazis were Socialist. What doesn't compute?

Before 1934, sure. After the Night of the Long Knives, they ditched the Socialist part.

[Dug]

Yeah but others making the leap that because racists vote Republican, that makes all Republicans racist. That's idiotic.

That would be wrong but it certainly doesn't help that the Republican president welcomed that crowd with open arms and hired one of their own with Bannon.

[Shadowmelded]

Are you legit making the case that Hitler demanded Socialist be added to the party name yet secretly was against Socialism? Really? Really you are going with that? Ok then....

Yeah, socialism appealed to the population but Hitler repressed the Socialist and Communist parties after the Reichstag fire. It's pretty widely accepted.