"Alt Right" activist asks for Lenin Statue to be removed

[GennGreymane]

You wish !

I dont wish. I know.

[Sandraudiga]

I honestly doubt anyone would even care if it got torn down or removed.

Do they really think that 'antifa' and the (non-existent) 'alt-left' are communism lovers? They really are clueless.

It actually appears that you are clueless. A very large portion of the group called antifa are anarcho-communists, which is why antifa fly the hammer and sickle flag constantly. So yes they are communist lovers.

The KKK, the white supremacists, etc are all scum. The actual members of the alt right(Not just the internet people who like to post Pepe memes) are all garbage human beings whose opinions need to be voiced publicly so we can all laugh them into obscurity.

Groups like Antifa and BAMN are just as bad and also scum/

[Mormolyce]

We (conservatives) did not start this fight. We WILL finish it.

You mean like you did last time?

I'm sure they're real scared of the Civil War Silver Medallists.

[Deletedaccount1]

So it's the fault of the Communists that Nazi's killed people

I am not sure whether I want to laugh or cry, but that's the second time I hear this argument this week and it's not even about the same thing.

It's not explicitly their fault but they were a cause of the Nazis rising to power. Not that difficult of a distinction to make honestly.

[Mormolyce]

none of these statues should be destroyed or damaged in any way.

but, unless it's a statue of some historical political figure, it shouldn't be on government property and should be moved to a museum.

There's thousands of statues to historical political figures across... well I think every country.

[elaina]

LOL. Okay, so this dude finds a fucking Lenin statue in a scrapyard overseas. And his possible last act before his death is to mortgage his house to bring it to Seattle. After which his family who inherit it are like uhhhhhh and immediately try to sell it for scrap. Hahah

[Deleted]

If we are removing confederacy generals, why shouldn't we remove the statues of Hitler-grade mass murderers like Lenin and Stalin -- and pretty much every other Communist leader?

[Elegiac]

If we are removing confederacy generals, why shouldn't we remove the statues of Hitler-grade mass murderers like Lenin and Stalin -- and pretty much every other Communist leader?

You get one politically contentious person to bang on about, and that's either Reagan or Jackson.

[Slybak]

Remember that the North wasn't fighting to end slavery; it was fighting to preserve the Union, and the South was fighting to secede from the Union. Slavery was the immediate catalyst but it wasn't what the war was about. After all, there were four slave states that did not secede - nor were they included in the Emancipation Proclamation - and at the very end of the war the Confederacy itself was considering emancipation. Extremely restricted emancipation, but the Confederates were still willing to give up chattel slavery (on their own terms) rather than simply surrender and rejoin the Union.

1) For the party in power, the Republicans, "ending slavery" and "preserving the union" were mutually inclusive goals; one could not be achieved without also achieving the other. Reuniting the union without abolishing slavery, to them, meant eventual rebellion in the future. Abolishing slavery without reuniting the union meant slavery's expansion further westward and, it was reasonably assumed, into Central and South America as the Confederacy expanded as the so-called "Fire Eaters," the most vociferous pro-slavery and pro-secession ideologues of the Antebellum South, had been demanding for decades and is the root cause of the Mexican-American War.

2) The slave states that didn't secede were the so-called border states where there was comparatively little slavery, and thus little political will to commit to war to defend it. It's the same reason why the people of western Virginia seceded from their own state to form West Virginia.

3) The Emancipation Proclamation was part of the Second Confiscation Act, which permitted the Union Army to manumit any slave in rebel territory in order to deprive rebelling planters of wealth. In other words, it was a military order devised to meet a military strategy. Neither the President of the United States nor Congress could abolish slavery completely via executive order or statute, but only by constitutional amendment. Hence the 13th Amendment, which Lincoln asked Congress to pass and the states to ratify while the war was still being prosecuted.

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If we are removing confederacy generals, why shouldn't we remove the statues of Hitler-grade mass murderers like Lenin and Stalin -- and pretty much every other Communist leader?

Sure. And because there aren't any public statues in the United States that memorialize either Lenin or Stalin, the task will be really easy.

[Fencers]

http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/...if_lenins.html
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So you are saying, these 'alt-right' activists living the United States, post-WWII victory, are upset about the Bolshevik Revolution and Council of the People's Commissars?

The dude from Alabama. Just can't reconcile the speculative notion of things running different in 1917?

Well, makes total sense when compared to Americans living today whose lineage was enslaved, oppressed and purposefully turned into cultural warfare. Yea, Lenin and the Russian Revolution is just as valid to Americans from the southern and central United States, post-WWII.

Tear down that statue, uh, someone. Lenny from Nebraska is really upset about the policies of post-Marxist Russians.

[elaina]

"First they came for the scrapyard Lenin statues, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a communist scrapyard statue apologist & aficionado..."

[Brubear]

I don't advocate for either side of extremism but they have a point. If tearing down a statue on government private property is acceptable then surely this should be acceptable too.

Do you....do you understand property laws? Like, at all?

Please, please tell me which of these confederate monuments that were torn down or defaced where on private government property and not public government property?

[Rhamses]

If we are removing confederacy generals, why shouldn't we remove the statues of Hitler-grade mass murderers like Lenin and Stalin -- and pretty much every other Communist leader?

I agree, but its on private property, not in a public square owned by the tax payer. Just like people are allowed to fly swastikas on their porch or have offensive shit on their front yard.

[Halicia]

I think communism is a horrible political stance but I don't want to see the statue destroyed over it.

The interesting thing though, is that the history of the statue stands AGAINST communism, and not for it.

But yeah... art that doesn't promote the state's agenda is evil and serves no purpose. only art that glorifies the state should be allowed to exist.

[Deletedaccount1]

So you are saying, these 'alt-right' activists living the United States, post-WWII victory, are upset about the Bolshevik Revolution and Council of the People's Commissars?

The dude from Alabama. Just can't reconcile the speculative notion of things running different in 1917?

Well, makes total sense when compared to Americans living today whose lineage was enslaved, oppressed and purposefully turned into cultural warfare. Yea, Lenin and the Russian Revolution is just as valid to Americans from the southern and central United States, post-WWII.

Tear down that statue, uh, someone. Lenny from Nebraska is really upset about the policies of post-Marxist Russians.

I'm not even talking about the statues. You said that Lenin didn't have an impact on history or their lives but he had a negative impact on the lives of virtually everyone who lived in the 20th century so that is a ridiculous statement. He did far more harm to the world than any confederate general and that's a cold hard fact.

[Breccia]

Oh private property.

well that ended this entire topic really quickly.

And yet, past page ten.

[Dontrike]

I couldn't care less about the statue, but if it's on private property then even if I did hate it there is nothing I can do about it and it's up to that person who owns the property to do what they wish, as long as it is within the various codes and laws of the area.

[Grapemask]

Oh god. Some people need some desperate foreign history lessons to understand Lenin and Stalin are on near opposite sides of the spectrum.

This kind of stuff is what happens when our country successfully fights an anti-Communisn propaganda war for a century.

[Cthulhu 2020]

We (conservatives) did not start this fight. We WILL finish it.

Hey mang, you saw that video of the white supremacist in Charlottesville right, how Vice news followed him around for a bit and he acted all tough and manly and "alpha". How he bragged about how the left would come at them first, but then his side would win cause they'd kill more?

Yeah, you see the follow up video where he's bawling his eyes out like a little bitch when he finds out police put out an warrant for his arrest.

That's what'll happen if there's ever a true war. 80% of the people who talked tough will be hiding like little bitches in their house, cradling their precious gun and crying to not die.

edit:
Oh, Hey Lefties...

Almost every city has an MLK Blvd.
He was anti-gay marriage.

They'll be riotin' and thuggin' in 3... 2... 1...

He was a Baptist, and shared an opinion with something like 98% of the country at the time. Times change, morals change with them. Same as in the 1920's, almost no white thought blacks should be equal to whites. Free, but not equal. Then 40 years passed and look what happened. Most of the country has adapted to have better morals with time. Some of it still insists on being bigoted assholes.

[Kujako]

True Conservatives don't use the socialist government created Internet! They only use pay as you go private services like AOL.