I hate Mondays.
Oh fuck, I just gave a hate speech using MMO-C misc forums as my platform, time to shut down the website.
I hate Mondays.
Oh fuck, I just gave a hate speech using MMO-C misc forums as my platform, time to shut down the website.
It's pretty telling that you have to go to the extreme to argue against what I said. Shooting people is illegal. Violence is illegal.
Telling people to go fuck themselves for what they said? Not illegal. And this whole thing is just a salty reaction to society telling them to go fuck themselves.
If you want freedom from social consequences you are advocating against free speech.
You are saying people should not be freely allowed who to associate with. You are saying there should be no free market. You are saying people can't fire those who harm their business.
If I have a friend who turns out to be a Nazi, will you force me at gun point to remain friends with that person?
We went over this in the other thread, and I still find it unconvincing because they're only going to be 'martyred' in the eyes of people who are also getting told by society to fuck off.
And, as others have mentioned, free speech is a double edged sword: your critics also have the freedom to criticize you harshly. Hence the Winston Churchill quote.
I have no idea the point you are trying to make.
The idea of shutting down ideas and debate is what has lead us to our darkest of moments in history though.
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It isn't its a reaction to people trying to inspire or approve of violence towards them.
That is what you said. If censorship is requested they will oblige. So you a re saying what they do is censorship.
Nope.
Good thing we know more now. With enough force, yes. Make it socially and legally too costly to be a Nazi. Don't be a coward.
Did people watch the livestream linked in OP? Take a look at the live comment section and you see how much "free speech" is supported by the so called totally not racists alt right members.
One of the few reasons why Hitler gathered so much attention was because of his arrest for high treason. A lot of people started looking at him as some kind of hero afterward. Noncoïncidentally, he started to write Mein Kampf right after.
Free speech should absolutely allow disagreement, lively debates, and exchange of ideas. But when you attack someone's living, when you attack someone physically, you make them feel empowered and rightful. This, in turn, leads to more violence.
Google Diversity Memo
Learn to use critical thinking: https://youtu.be/J5A5o9I7rnA
Political left, right similarly motivated to avoid rival views
[...] we have an intolerance for ideas and evidence that don’t fit a certain ideology. I’m also not saying that we should restrict people to certain gender roles; I’m advocating for quite the opposite: treat people as individuals, not as just another member of their group (tribalism)..
I'm saying that we shouldn't ask for censorship. That's the problem.
I don't know what world you live in, or if you simply take something you disagree with as "non-factual", but there's a trove of real, genuine scientific research made on a lot of controversial topics every year that just gets shoved under the carpet because it doesn't fit the current cultural climate. They are true, they exist and they are empirical.
With enough force, which is the downfall of your idea. I won't go and punch a Nazi outside. I hate nazis. I hate what they stand for, but I won't lower myself to their level. I'm not a trash and I won't start acting like one.
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Then we agree.
Google Diversity Memo
Learn to use critical thinking: https://youtu.be/J5A5o9I7rnA
Political left, right similarly motivated to avoid rival views
[...] we have an intolerance for ideas and evidence that don’t fit a certain ideology. I’m also not saying that we should restrict people to certain gender roles; I’m advocating for quite the opposite: treat people as individuals, not as just another member of their group (tribalism)..
You can have whatever idea and start whatever debate you want, that's YOUR right. If your private employer decides that your views will harm the company, he can fire you, because that's HIS right. If people decides that they want nothing to do with you based on your views, and call you a Nazi or fascist because of them, that is THEIR right.
THAT is freedom of speech. What so many people today want is freedom of speech AND freedom from consequences of their speech.
Posting this, because quite frankly, people on this site NEED to see it often:
Yes, they were not aggressive against people who were different before the death camps, they did not have a military wing in their party that beat up others, other minded and eventually those became a police force and people who dared to even question the party were removed from public eye never to be seen again.
You might want to apply the advise to yourself, the Nazi party wanted to get rid of everyone not aryan, everyone not "normal" that means not straight or even born with a disability.
They tolerated a few in other nations if it suited their military goals. If you wish to underplay the nazi doctrine that is your choice, but they defined the principle of uber und unter mensch and to say or even claim they didn't merely displays your ignorance on yet another subject.