Why Even Nazis Deserve Free Speech

[Livnthedream]

The First Amendment already has restrictions.

I'm suggesting they should be expanded to cover groups who have already demonstrated their desire to spread hate, death and violence.

[zorkuus]

I've always found it funny that you consider history books a reliable source. They are probably even more biased than wikipedia, which is almost completely controlled by the left.

You still here? How's that ban evading working out for you?

[Sunseeker]

Preserving their Constitutional right to free speech does not validate or give support to either their voice or their worldview, and the "benefit to the nation" has been established by our Founding Fathers. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Every American is afforded the liberty to be whatever makes them happy within the parameters of the law of the land. That is the American promise, the American dream, and it was purposefully engineered by our Founding Fathers as a direct response to totalitarian and oligarchical governmental institutions that did not value the democratic liberty of their people. To dismantle the framework the Founding Fathers put into place would only invite the return of everything that prompted the American Revolution in the first place.

No matter what their message is, no matter how wrong it is, no matter how inherently evil it is, it is important that they have the right to say it, think it, and peaceably assemble to promote it because these rights need to extend to all Americans evenly and equally no matter what their lifestyle and worldview is. Many of our Founding Fathers were Freemasons, which were considered to be progressive liberals by European standards of the day. The Puritans and the Quakers were considered ultra-conservatives. And they all came to the New World under the promise of building a life of liberty for themselves out from under the yolk of governments that sought to persecute and oppress them. These groups with worldviews that widely contradicted each other came here and worked together to build this great nation. They knew that underneath the surface of all their differences, they all just wanted to live in accordance with their beliefs, and that inherent right should be protected by the law of the land.

This is what Nazis want. This is what Antifa wants. This is what everyone wants. They want the freedom to express their worldview and they want to be able to vote accordingly so that their government might reflect their worldview. To say that one group can't have that right opens the door for other groups to lose their rights as well. And then one day we'll all wake up in an Orwellian nightmare where nobody is free to be anything that isn't State-approved and everything that this country once stood for will have been erased all because some kids couldn't maturely process their emotions and adjust to a world where not everyone agrees with them. Neo-Nazis and the Klan hate you. Get over it. Hate them back and vote accordingly. Embrace the democratic process. That is the key to the moral victory you seek. Just because you lost one election doesn't mean the system is broken. America is a multicultural universalist nation comprised of many sides with varying interests. Sometimes you'll lose. Sometimes you'll win. Trying to change the rules so you win every time is what petulant children do when they play Monopoly.

I don't care if Nazis want the freedom to express their views. I really don't. There should be no room for Nazi's to "win". I don't care if it's unfair. Nazis are promoting death, violence and hatred to everyone who isn't one of them. There's no reason to suggest that they should be able to "win some of the time" what kind of bullshit is that?

Fuck that. The Nazis lost in the past, the Nazis will lose now. No second chances. No footholds.

[JohnBrown1917]

No, I'm serious. If you are not willing to accept that only a very small amount of people
who subscribe to natsoc ideals actually wants to harm anyone, then you are way too prejudiced.
Islam calls for shariah law, and death to everyone who does not follow the religion. But only an extremely small amount of people actually do that. It's the same thing.

Its not, the world knows what nazis what, it was started by Hitler, you can't fool anybody.

[hellhamster]

yes.... and? All countries do that in some form.

Well in America which is the topic of discussion, there's the First Amendment.

[Sliske]

would you be accepting of a paedophile rally?

using the free speech argument to justify a white supremacists rally, isn't much different from using it to justify a paedophilia rally.

think about that

Pedophilia is against the law, though. Being a racist isn't. On top of this, if you curb free speech, you're giving a certain group of people a massive amount of political power. These people will of course band more than just racists into their censorship movement. They will add in anyone anti mass immigration or anyone anti race quotas.

If a law exists like this, people will abuse it - which is why it doesn't exist.

[JohnBrown1917]

I've always found it funny that you consider history books a reliable source. They are probably even more biased than wikipedia, which is almost completely controlled by the left.

Most governments in this world are right wing

[Trassk]

So do most people.
Its funny you guys mention this over the far worse shit Hitler did.

Yes because as long as your not causing genocide to thousands, destroying history, invading other lands and desecrating the dead, then its perfectly fine to oppress peoples free speech.

[Masark]

Most of the people didn't have a nazi flag.
Actions are more important than some guy next to you waving a symbol.

Indeed, actions like chanting nazi slogans.

Go away.

[zorkuus]

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Palpatine used democrasy to usurp power, not the best example. Surely you can do better

[Elegiac]

Well in America which is the topic of discussion, there's the First Amendment.

Which is not and never has been unlimited in its scope.

[Deleted]

Yep, by the fictional representation of Adolf Hitler. Palpatine used democracy to removed the rights from people.

[Sky High]

oh god, you can't really see the irony in posting that vid? in this thread? get a grip.

[JohnBrown1917]

Well in America which is the topic of discussion, there's the First Amendment.

Even the US has limits, or is any country that is not the US ran by Hitler's ghost now?

[BajPally]

You still here? How's that ban evading working out for you?

Nice argument, as usual.

[Livnthedream]

Palpatine used democrasy to usurp power, not the best example. Surely you can do better

No, he used darkside force mojo.

You are bad at Star Wars.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Does this mean that radical Islamists deserve free speech as well?

[JohnBrown1917]

Yes because as long as your not causing genocide to thousands, destroying history, invading other lands and desecrating the dead, then its perfectly fine to oppress peoples free speech.

Not having compette freedom of speech is oppression to you guys?
But no, continue on saying that makes people nazis or whatever bullshit.

[zorkuus]

No, he used darkside force mojo.

You are bad at Star Wars.

You are bad at comebacks.

[hellhamster]

Even the US has limits, or is any country that is not the US ran by Hitler's ghost now?

Here, check this for toilet reading, it might save your life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_...s_Constitution