Daily reminder that antifa body count is still 0

[Elba]

So I take it yes, that IS what you want. You want a war with the modern day Nazi's, and you don't care if innocent people are hurt or killed to meet your ends.

Not really surprising coming from you.

Oooor we could be sensible and outlaw hate speech, socially and economically isolate the Nazis, throw them in jail and punch the few that would still rear their heads hard enough that they crawl back under their rock.

I don't want a war. You are enabling a war hand wringing until there is one.

[Stelio Kontos]

Actually, Nazi's and Fascists have killed a lot more people than Communists or Socialists. Unless you use the flawed methodology from the heap of shit called "the Black book of Communism", in which case (by the same flawed methodology), Capitalism has killed FAR more people than Communism, Nazism, Facism and the Black Death combined. So either Nazism and Fascism is worse than Communism, or Capitalism is the Murderous Scourge to End Them All.

Your choice.

I don't know enough on the issue of capitalism to make that call, but in every source I've ever read Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and many other communist dictators mass-murdered people, and yet antifa still often flies the sickle and hammer. So why shouldn't it be laid at their feet if they're willing to do the same to the other side?

[Stelio Kontos]

So no rebuttal but glibness. Okay.

[Elba]

That's not a refutation, that's just a meme that you weren't creative enough to think up yourself.

If you say so, Stefan.

[Paranoid Android]

Please don't defend Antifa in any way. I don't give a shit they have not killed anyone. Antifa uses violence to counter violence.

Honestly since Charlottesville Antifa has been used to make the white nationalist, Neo Nazis racist. I'm sure people want a hammer against the right but all it does is help feed the Alt-Reich assholes. Just stop.

Condem both and don't feed the monster. If someone mentions Antifa to the Alt-Right. I don't need to read; "Yeah but..."

[Zecora]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gulag_Archipelago

Required reading in Russia, should probably be here too.

And where did I say that they didn't kill anyone? The lie that they killed more than the Nazi's and Fascism is a fabrication based on bad methodology though.

[Elba]

God damn you're crazy.

Dunno, I'm not the one who thinks punching a few Nazis equates millions of deaths.

Antifa uses violence to counter violence.

Like the allies.

So no rebuttal but glibness. Okay.

Yirrah already did. Also far right death toll is quite a bit higher than merely one. Portland, New York, Charleston etc.

[Stelio Kontos]

I've yet to have a leftist adequately explain why punching a Nazi is okay, but punching a communist isn't.

Either punching followers of destructive, murderous ideologies that kill millions is okay, or it isn't. Which is it?

[Zecora]

You realize in that document it still attributes more deaths to communism, right? The only way it gets around it is to then pretend that capitalism is an equal system in execution and then attributes all deaths within that system to capitalism rofl.

"The Capitalists" never turned around and put people into forced labor camps and murdered farmers and caused famines, because "The capitalists" aren't a party, and have never controlled a nation.

Is that a whiff of desperation I smell? Communism is an economic system, same as Capitalism. So, if flawed methodology applies to ONE, it applies to the OTHER.
(Nazism meanwhile, is an ideology based on murdering people you don't like).

[Stelio Kontos]

And where did I say that they didn't kill anyone? The lie that they killed more than the Nazi's and Fascism is a fabrication based on bad methodology though.

http://www.spectrezine.org/

We are a radical journal of the European Left ...

We don't believe anyone has all the answers, and are open to all sections of the radical left.

Wait, you mean people like that don't think Communism killed as many as fascism?

Well, color me shocked.

[Zecora]

http://www.spectrezine.org/

We are a radical journal of the European Left ...

We don't believe anyone has all the answers, and are open to all sections of the radical left.

Wait, you mean people like that don't think Communism killed as many as fascism?

Well, color me shocked.

Ah, yes. The "These facts come from my ideological enemies, so they can't be facts" defence. Classic.

You seriously need to check yourself and put your epeen away bro.

Right back at'cha, "bro"

[Mittens]

This is a fucking stupid take. Use of violence against a bunch of NAZI LARPers is not justified, attacking people with fucking bike-locks is not ok. We have authorities in the case they break any law.

[Stelio Kontos]

Ah, yes. The "These facts come from my ideological enemies, so they can't be facts" defence. Classic.

No, more these people with an obvious bias arrange the "facts" in a manner that supports their bias.

[Theinquisition]

I've yet to have a leftist adequately explain why punching a Nazi is okay, but punching a communist isn't.

Either punching followers of destructive, murderous ideologies that kill millions is okay, or it isn't. Which is it?

I know right.

Both are evil ideologies.

[Eazy]

They're retards, so? What's the point of this thread? Are you going to say that pedophiles shouldn't be in the jail because they do not kill kids but just rape them? What the hell is wrong with you.

[Melusine]

Can't really say the same of some other far right movements, yet antifa is smh labeled domestic terrorism.

Alright have fun in the high castle then i guess

Well, they do meet the definition of a terrorist organization. One of the criteria is to enact violence and destruction to compel political change, and doesn't require a death. But that said, assaulting people with deadly weapons and no one dying is only a testament of how bad they are at violence, and not that the intentions are not present, so, yeah, fuck Antifa.

[Elba]

I know right.

Both are evil ideologies.

Yet only one kills people in the US. Hmm

[Chinese Bootlickers]

And?



Same difference. That's my point.

*Picture of masked morons with guns*
*Counters with mask-less morons with guns*
One's a bit more intimidating than the other.

[Elba]

This is a fucking stupid take. Use of violence against a bunch of NAZI LARPers is not justified, attacking people with fucking bike-locks is not ok. We have authorities in the case they break any law.

Sadly the authorities do a shitty job. Nazis attacked churches and synagogues in Charlottesville. Cops did nothing. Antifa defended the clergy. Nazis shot at people. Again, cops did nothing. Nazis beat people up, it took a social media campaign to find the culprits

[Zecora]

But Capitalism has never been executed in the same way as Communism, so directly correlating deaths to Capitalism doesn't make any sense. No direct action of a Capitalist system has lead to that many deaths, but the direct actions of a Communist system has.

Chomsky is making the claim basically that inaction is the same as action.

Really? That's all you have?

Capitalism underpins almost all western nations, it's implemented FAR more widely than any Communism ever was. Bad planning and inaction caused famine and death in Communism, Market forces and inaction caused famine and death in Capitalism. Both is bad, neither came about because people WANTED them to happen.

Your desperate dodging is really quite sad.

Meanwhile, Nazism and Fascism caused the deaths of millions, not as a result of market forces, bad planning or inaction, but because they happened to follow a religion the Nazi's didn't like, or an ideology the Nazi's didn't like, or have a skin colour the Nazi's didn't like, or they loved someone the Nazi's didn't like, or they associated with someone the Nazi's didn't like.

People, men women and children, even infants were brutally murdered, because the Nazi's decided they weren't really people, but üntermenschen.

And you have the audacity to DEFEND them and those who follow their ideology even today, by saying "But Communism..."? You ought to be so ashamed, you should not show your face around here ever again.


You sicken me.