Communism never killed 100M people

[Doctor Amadeus]

The Soviets weren't just peacefully sitting on their asses waiting for Operation Barbarossa to start. In collusion with Hitler, Stalin invaded Poland from the east 16 days after Germany invaded from the west, putting an ice pick in any hope of the Poles holding out against the Germans long enough for the British and French to respond. Three months later in November of 1939, the Soviets started the Winter War with Finland. After the Red Army performed so poorly in that fight, their participation in the war declined significantly until Hitler attacked.

Here's the point. Hitler and Stalin were both murderous bastards at the head of murderous regimes. They were both expansionist and reveled in taking terrirory by force. Hitler and the whermacht were just significantly better than Stalin and the Red Army at the latter. Where Stalin truly excelled however, was in killing his own people, in that regard he makes Hitler look like an amateur.

Your attempts to exonerate the Soviets by comparing them positively to the Nazis is just as ludicrous as doing the reverse. When we criticize Antifa and other like-minded groups for waving Soviet flags and idolizing murderers like Lenin, Che, Castro, Stalin and Mao, we're absolutely right for doing so. Furthermore, in doing so, we're not throwing out lot in with the white supremacists. We're allowed to dislike all of them, and for the same reasons.

Stalin didn't Start WW2 his engagements had nothing to do with what Hitler did, try again! It was Hitlers expansion into the eastern block not the other way around.

As for comparing Antifa a made up boogie man to your horseshit comparisons of Communism both then and now being a threat if fucking laughable the closest the Communist ever came to being a threat and they weren't was during the red scare, in the goddamn 50's where the government like now full scale went after Communist or anybody with Communist ties.

White Supremacy has always been a problem for about a few hundred years in the States the Nazi party however is more recent, and active and have murdered and killed people in the U.S sure as shit since the 50's where Communist killed 0 on American Soil, and in terms to everywhere else.


After WW2 However the Soviet Union did set it's sites on Expansion which blew up in their faces, and Communism itself started it's long Trek to being fucking Irrelevant, until it simply collapsed on it's own.

You are making shit up, out of nothing you would be better off Comparing Antifa to the Jurassic Period and suggesting that T-Rex's were really a danger of fucking eating people.

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Do you have a hat full of these little falsehoods and just pick them at random to post here? You're like the MMO-Champion version of the Iraqi Information Minister during the 2003 invasion. That guy was great fun to watch by the way. You can look up his greatest hits on youtube.

It's as legitimate as any of your flat out bullshit claims, let's face it, you are going to believe whatever the fuck you want despite the facts.

[SupBrah]

Spoken just like a holocaust denier.

Communists are merely just the other side of the horseshoe.

[ArguesWithStrangers]

Stalin didn't Start WW2 his engagements had nothing to do with what Hitler did, try again! It was Hitlers expansion into the eastern block not the other way around.

As for comparing Antifa a made up boogie man to your horseshit comparisons of Communism both then and now being a threat if fucking laughable the closest the Communist ever came to being a threat and they weren't was during the red scare, in the goddamn 50's where the government like now full scale went after Communist or anybody with Communist ties.

White Supremacy has always been a problem for about a few hundred years in the States the Nazi party however is more recent, and active and have murdered and killed people in the U.S sure as shit since the 50's where Communist killed 0 on American Soil, and in terms to everywhere else.


After WW2 However the Soviet Union did set it's sites on Expansion which blew up in their faces, and Communism itself started it's long Trek to being fucking Irrelevant, until it simply collapsed on it's own.

You are making shit up, out of nothing you would be better off Comparing Antifa to the Jurassic Period and suggesting that T-Rex's were really a danger of fucking eating people.

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It's as legitimate as any of your flat out bullshit claims, let's face it, you are going to believe whatever the fuck you want despite the facts.

So your argument can be summed up into sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "No, No, No, No!" at the top of your lungs. You only even attempted to address one of my points, and did so poorly at that. We're not discussing who started WWII. We're discussing the moral and philisophical equivalence between two governmental systems that have far more incommon than they don't. By extension, we're discussing the moral and philisophical equivalence of groups in modern America who like to romanticise these regimes and implement their ideologies here. Try to focus.

[Deleted]

Communism apologists deserve the same scorn as holocaust deniers.

[downnola]

The Soviets weren't just peacefully sitting on their asses waiting for Operation Barbarossa to start. In collusion with Hitler, Stalin invaded Poland from the east 16 days after Germany invaded from the west, putting an ice pick in any hope of the Poles holding out against the Germans long enough for the British and French to respond.

I see what you did there.

[Elba]

Do you have a hat full of these little falsehoods and just pick them at random to post here?

Since the industrial revolution countless people have succumbed to unsafe working conditions, environmental pollution, unsafe products, back breaking work, wars fought for recourses and land to fuel the industry, lack of social security and health care.

All in the name of making the upper class richer.

[Deleted]

Speak sense you nutter. The freakin' quote you posted said their studies put the total death max at 7 million less than the toted 100 million. If the total death toll was 25 million and they corrected 7 million then it would be something but 7 out of 100 is nothing. Go complain to Stormfront where the real Nazis are.

total number of the victims at between 65 and 93 million.

How about 35 out of a 100, would you say that is something??
Those are the two extremes that are put forth and it would be somewhere in between i'd guess. But if we are going to count death tolls like this then i suppose we have to count the the millions and millions of people who died of famines caused either directly or indirectly by capitalism just like we do it to communism, but no one ever talks about that.

[Doctor Amadeus]

So your argument can be summed up into sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "No, No, No, No!" at the top of your lungs. You only even attempted to address one of my points, and did so poorly at that. We're not discussing who started WWII. We're discussing the moral and philisophical equivalence between two governmental systems that have far more incommon than they don't. By extension, we're discussing the moral and philisophical equivalence of groups in modern America who like to romanticise these regimes and implement their ideologies here. Try to focus.

No you tried to move the goal post and now, you are back peddling because I pointed out the misapplied facts of your statement. I am not philosophically defending shit, because there isn't anything to defend except some made up shit in your mind.

Communist are Dead!

Protesters despite what books or philosophies you think they follow is fucking irrelevant. They aren't murdering anybody.

As to who is worst Nazi's or Communist, who gives shit, I don't fucking support either. that still doesn't make them more deadly than the right, or nazi's. That is what you are trying to argue.

Your hate for college liberals honestly has peppered whatever objectivity or rational thought. I mean these kids might be clueless about history but so are you. And your contempt for education that runs against your bias is your personal problem.

[Spectral]

Since the industrial revolution countless people have succumbed to unsafe working conditions, environmental pollution, unsafe products, back breaking work, wars fought for recourses and land to fuel the industry, lack of social security and health care.

All in the name of making the upper class richer.

And yet:



Whatever the faults of the systems in these nations, they're infinitely better than whatever is envisioned by the bitter, jealous man-children that keep promoting Marxism or fascism.

[Tiwack]

News at 11.

Corruption and backstabbing your own principles leads to death and misery.

[Kardagh]

Hasn't Antifa been listed as a terrorist organisation á la same vein as ISIS?

I mean they both use terror for a political purpose so what's the difference there?

[Varitok]

Venezuela was more of a socialist country (people keep confusing communist and socialist) who put all of their eggs in one basket economically speaking with other important factors that led to it's harsh decline and like Dys said, 7 million less deaths isn't exactly a point in your corner.

It's not socialism's fault that Venezuela is a banana republic.

[ArguesWithStrangers]

No you tried to move the goal post and now, you are back peddling because I pointed out the misapplied facts of your statement. I am not philosophically defending shit, because there isn't anything to defend except some made up shit in your mind.

Communist are Dead!

Protesters despite what books or philosophies you think they follow is fucking irrelevant. They aren't murdering anybody.

As to who is worst Nazi's or Communist, who gives shit, I don't fucking support either. that still doesn't make them more deadly than the right, or nazi's. That is what you are trying to argue.

Your hate for college liberals honestly has peppered whatever objectivity or rational thought. I mean these kids might be clueless about history but so are you. And your contempt for education that runs against your bias is your personal problem.

You're just flailing about now. Have a shot of something strong and come back when your nerves are settled.

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And yet:



Whatever the faults of the systems in these nations, they're infinitely better than whatever is envisioned by the bitter, jealous man-children that keep promoting Marxism or fascism.

Soo all technological improvements made are all due to capitalism?? Because that is why the people live longer these days, not because of capitalism. You could argue that because of capitalism we humans have had a faster technological advancements, but i do not think that point is very valid as capitalism stands in the way of innovation just as much as it does to promote it.

[ArguesWithStrangers]

Hasn't Antifa been listed as a terrorist organisation á la same vein as ISIS?

I mean they both use terror for a political purpose so what's the difference there?

If they've been listed it's news to me. Regardless though, as deplorable as Antifa is, let's not draw equivalency between political thuggary and actual genocidal maniacs.

[Grapemask]

The "Communism has killed x people" argument is so logically fallacious, I don't understand how any grown adult can say it without feeling like a complete dunce. Whether you support communism or think it belongs firmly in a special part of hell, the argument is bad.

The same argument could be made to say everything that isn't communism has killed all but 100 million people that have died up to now on Earth, and you would be just as logically feasible as "Communism has killed 100 million people." So remember guys: Communism. It's killed the fewest people of any social system or political ideology in the history of mankind.

[Tiwack]

You're just flailing about now. Have a shot of something strong and come back when your nerves are settled.

Adequate and expected response to that burn in his last paragraph lol
He's got a point though.

[ArguesWithStrangers]

Soo all technological improvements made are all due to capitalism?? Because that is why the people live longer these days, not because of capitalism. You could argue that because of capitalism we humans have had a faster technological advancements, but i do not think that point is very valid as capitalism stands in the way of innovation just as much as it does to promote it.

There is a direct positive correlation between the private ownership of property, goods and services and accompanying technolocial and economic advancements. It's not an accident these events happened simultaneously.

[Tackhisis]

They were both expansionist and reveled in taking terrirory by force.

USSR just took back what was taken from it in the chaos which followed the revolution. Finland was offered a compensation for the Leningrad oblast expansion. USSR has never invaded Poland.

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There is a direct positive correlation between the private ownership of property, goods and services and accompanying technolocial and economic advancements. It's not an accident these events happened simultaneously.

No there really isn't, private ownership stands in the way just as much as it does to promote technological advancements. Greed might trigger allot of people, but at the same time if you cant use things other people inventions because of said greed then it is holding us back. Just like profit does nothing innovation in of itself, most big scientific breakthroughs are mostly made by universities and other sponsored research. Only to be monetized by private people who make millions from it.