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Yeah, you do have borders.
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Thank you. That's exactly what international custom and law dictates. This is the reason why Palestine is fighting so hard for recognition. If enough countries go "Yeah, they're legit" then Israel is having a hard time getting the UN on board on anything and lose legitimacy in their occupation.
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That is what you said:
Tell me again how that's not implying that European countries having distributed refugees from Greece are illegitimate? Considering that those refugees just washed up on the shore of Greece in numbers that Greece could not deal with?So you're just gonna throw your hands up in the air and say fine if someone doesn't go home when told they can't stay instead of employing measures to make them? Why don't your countries just abolish your policies on immigration then? How can you rule a country if you're a defeatist who refuses to enforce border controls? No borders, no legitimacy of the government.
You know what, check that... I'll just wait for the next time you can't refuse to make such outrageous statements.
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You can't just pull a quote out of context.
Kangodo was arguing that you can't deny people entry or deport people. That is either an inability to or unwillingness to and if that's the case, then the government is illegitimate.
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Shit haha I'm not sure why i find this so funny, but my faith in the EU is kinda lost.
They used 320 million dollars on the headquarters, instead of doing their jobs.
And that is your ideal situation, right?
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You did, several times.
There is no other conclusion possible from your claims.
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If that was true then most of your posts would be impossible.
(There might be some where you didn't quote anyone.)
What does this have to do with anything? I'm sure (whatever country you're from) has spent millions of dollars on things that weren't entirely necessary either and this doesn't invalidate its' other actions.
And what this with "instead of doing their job"? Even ignoring the fact that multitasking is a thing - shocking, I know - their job is making sure Poland fulfills the deal it agreed to in the past. One does not get to ignore international agreements simply because it was made by previous government and the current one doesn't share their opinion. The deal is done and there are consequences for breaking it.
I'm not exactly thrilled at prospect of having immigrants here, but I recognize that we benefit an enormous amount from EU funding and thus we have certain responsibilities. Especially since ~7000 people is next to nothing and with our country being very homogenous, they'd be pretty much lost in the crowd.
And yet the idea that we're somehow opressed by the EU keeps appearing in this thread. Tons of things were built using EU money, so if that's what "opression" feels like - do go on.
The thing is that for the current government this is kinda a checkamate situation, they try to weasel out of the deal by all the means neccesary just so they don't lose their face with their iron electorate. Accepting refugees now would make them lose all creditibility to the people and no different to the previous government.
For all I care they could just shut up and take the refugees, its not like many of them would stay in Poland. Perhaps some would do (they could open some ME restaurants/bars since kebabs are super popular) but at least this whole mess with EU would be somewhat over (the judicary reforms and others are still a problem but that is a different matter).
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Actually, i think this shouldn't matter, and its a bad argument. Conditions should be the same for all countries in the EU, regardless of their net contribution. Poland getting more money shouldn't be an argument for them to be held to their contract, the same as germany spending more than most shouldn't be an argument for them to ignore treaties. The more we separate between net-contributors and net-receivers, the more we get a separated EU..
I think we can argue that every EU nation should be held to their treaties. Saying stuff like they receive so much money anyway is just poisoning the well, as it will be perceived as condescending.
It's a great ideal, but you're kidding yourself if you do not believe that Germany is pulling most (not all) of the strings in EU. Also as you mentioned calling out countries on how much they get from EU is condescending and yet *some* people even in here do it all the time.
The problem is that this symbolic gesture might cause their downfall. It's not like a lot of people like the bs they pull off, but since most people don't want refugees in the country this is a highlight of current government, there are also hardly any other options (talking about other parties, the opposition right now is laughable at best), but last time they were in power people got tired of their shit in 2 years.
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