Well, that latest militia is at least hilarious.

[Techno-Druid]

so why not let them go extinct? why do we constantly try to play both sides of the fence with animals that simply can't exist in a modern world? animals have always been phased out by nature, nature created humans and if a species can't exist on a preservation/national park away from civilization and is killing livestock/people then they don't fit in anymore

this is like that quest on the witcher 3 where the last type of griffin is killing people and the "caretaker" just tries to pay families off, of course i killed the shit out of the big bird because it's us vs them

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so why not let them go extinct? why do we constantly try to play both sides of the fence with animals that simply can't exist in a modern world? animals have always been phased out by nature, nature created humans and if a species can't exist on a preservation/national park away from civilization and is killing livestock/people then they don't fit in anymore

this is like that quest on the witcher 3 where the last type of griffin is killing people and the "caretaker" just tries to pay families off, of course i killed the shit out of the big bird because it's us vs them

These species are vital to maintaining ecosystems. Trophic cascade is the concept of all species in an ecosystem affecting one another.

When wolves were reintroduced to Yellowstone National Park they were able control the populations of the elk. The elk would eventually stop congregating in open areas where they could be tracked more easily and vegetation started to rabidly grow in these areas of the Park which then attracted various species of birds and insects, increasing their populations. The wolves also killed coyotes and because of that, the populations of rodents and smaller hooved animals began to increase which increased the population of birds of prey and smaller carnivorous mammals like badgers. The regenerated forests also began changing the physical geography of the park, preventing erosion and minimizing flooding along rivers.

In British Columbia when the salmon return to the rivers and streams to lay and fertilize eggs, some of these salmon are killed by bears. Of course the salmon feeds the bears, but when the bears finish eating all the meat they want off the carcasses they discard them in the forests. These salmon corpses decompose and help fertilize new trees which interacts with all areas of life within the forests.

People are starting to learn this and various rewilding projects have started to pop up around the world. In Europe various organizations are trying to reintroduce species like wild horses, bison, "wild" cattle, water buffalo and moose in an effort to revitalize and renew the various wild landscapes and of course with herbivores comes wolves, lynx and bear.

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I was talking more for the sheep so they dont run off cliffs.

We all know what happens then...

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so why not let them go extinct? why do we constantly try to play both sides of the fence with animals that simply can't exist in a modern world? animals have always been phased out by nature, nature created humans and if a species can't exist on a preservation/national park away from civilization and is killing livestock/people then they don't fit in anymore

Bears control the ecosystem. If the lifestock from the farms goes rampart in the wild (wich usually happens and is harder to contol) they could create a disaster in the forests with too many non-predatorian beings that reproduce fast ant eat a lot of plants.

[Xandrigity]

Brown bears have no troubles with fences, they only find electric fences unbearable.

They need to build a wall

[endersblade]

Idiots? I think not. I think they're tired of the bullshit and have finally been pushed to the brink.

This is why I hate shit like PETA and conservationists. Animals over people. People need to make a living, and in this particular case, that living is raising sheep. The government compensates them for the sheep. Ok. Then why bother raising sheep at all? How about the government just cut them a check each month for the POTENTIAL to raise sheep? That's silly. If the compensation was enough to cover the loss of the sheep, the sheep farmers either wouldn't give a shit or would be lazy and just start collecting checks. These sheep are their very livelihood, and nothing is being done to help them because everyone's all about "OH THE POOR BEARS!". Will they still be saying that when those bears start eating people because all of the sheep are gone?

[Manabomb]

Very similar to what our ranchers go through when they live close to wilderness areas and the US government wants to bring back wolves or grizzlies. Sometimes ranchers shoot these animals illegally.

But they feel that their livelihood is at stake.

Gee, I wonder if the reason why they are bringing back the wolves and the grizzlies is because their natural prey are overpopulating and crippling the plant density they use as food.

Just a wild guess, considering ranching and farming is a dying "industry" lifestyle, anyway.

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Idiots? I think not. I think they're tired of the bullshit and have finally been pushed to the brink.

This is why I hate shit like PETA and conservationists. Animals over people. People need to make a living, and in this particular case, that living is raising sheep. The government compensates them for the sheep. Ok. Then why bother raising sheep at all? How about the government just cut them a check each month for the POTENTIAL to raise sheep? That's silly. If the compensation was enough to cover the loss of the sheep, the sheep farmers either wouldn't give a shit or would be lazy and just start collecting checks. These sheep are their very livelihood, and nothing is being done to help them because everyone's all about "OH THE POOR BEARS!". Will they still be saying that when those bears start eating people because all of the sheep are gone?

Why do people need to make a living from animals, though? I thought we were above them.

Why can they simply not make a living requiring an animal? Sounds a lot like the unskilled auto worker natives that lost jobs back in the states refusing to retool themselves to work in other industries.

But hey, maybe it's because those asshole sheep farmers have been ruining forests by clear cutting for over a thousand years. Big picture is important.

[Rustedsaint]

If the bears are starting to become a serious problem then a small quell should be done to protect the lifestock and people living in the area. But awhole scale slaughter should be off the list of possible choices.

Fences wouldnt work to keep bears out and the sheep would still be killed by the bears

[Rudol Von Stroheim]

I think you're right, I was looking at a bunch of different estimates and probably mixed them up.



The Witcher may not be the best source of advice on ecological issues.

I just stopped in to laugh at this.

Hah...

[Techno-Druid]

If the bears are starting to become a serious problem then a small quell should be done to protect the lifestock and people living in the area. But awhole scale slaughter should be off the list of possible choices.

Fences wouldnt work to keep bears out and the sheep would still be killed by the bears

Understandable logic (seriously, no sarcasm there), but the thing is, this isn't Canada or the US where tens of thousands of bears roam across North America, there are ~35 bears in the Pyrenees.

[Travis B]

Idiots? I think not. I think they're tired of the bullshit and have finally been pushed to the brink.

This is why I hate shit like PETA and conservationists. Animals over people. People need to make a living, and in this particular case, that living is raising sheep. The government compensates them for the sheep. Ok. Then why bother raising sheep at all? How about the government just cut them a check each month for the POTENTIAL to raise sheep? That's silly. If the compensation was enough to cover the loss of the sheep, the sheep farmers either wouldn't give a shit or would be lazy and just start collecting checks. These sheep are their very livelihood, and nothing is being done to help them because everyone's all about "OH THE POOR BEARS!". Will they still be saying that when those bears start eating people because all of the sheep are gone?

Maybe those ranchers should figure out a better way to protect their livestock. And if they can't do that, then they should find a job they don't suck at.

[sarahtasher]

Y'know, sheep in France (mostly for producing cheese) is not exactly wild capitalism either...I'm not kidding by saying that cheese producing jobs (this is not mocking French traditional industries) are presumably more protected than pandas.

[Poopymonster]

I was talking more for the sheep so they dont run off cliffs.

You always take sheep to the edge of a cliff. They push back better.