Witnesses yell 'he can't hear you' as cop shoots deaf man

[urasim]

To be fair the article does say a neighbor claims he was "developmentally disabled."; however, I wouldn't exactly call a neighbor a reliable source for medical information. I'm sure it will come out at some point the extent of his disabilities.

A developmental disability just means he was deaf. Just look at the words and what they mean. being deaf is a disability that would also hinder his development. He wasn't mentally disabled. Anyone saying he has a mental disability either doesn't know what that means or they're being dishonest. A mental disability is something like bipolar or autism. Mental disability means they don't fully have control of their mental abilities.

[Antiganon]

I would like to see some federal level controls here.

All law enforcement, regardless of agency (local cops, state cops, FBI, DEA, ICE, etc) should have body cameras, at all times. It literally protects everyone except criminals. People who assault cops will be filmed as assaulting cops, and the cops will have irrefutable evidence that there was immediate threat to life and limb. Bad cops who use excessive force will be filmed, and the footage will be irrefutable evidence of wrongdoing.

It is literally a win-win for everybody, excepting people who don't want to spend an extra penny out of their paycheck in slightly increased taxes to pay for it.

[NineSpine]

Your numbers appear to make a great case, until you look at them a bit closer.

What is your source for there being 1,000 citizens being killed by police, and how many of those were wrongful? Every source I can find says the FBI does not compile that data. Where are you getting it?

Cops do factually kill some people in justified and legal ways. Cops killing the bad guys, is the natural order of things, when no mistakes are being made, or laws being broken by the police. Most police shootings are just unavoidable, just and proper. That is a fact in all nations.

You should note that there is no justified killing of the cops, however. All of those 64 are crimes.

Quote me where I said guns for were illegal for 200 years and I will delete my account.

[Allybeboba]

What are you talking about he was on his porch at his house when the cops showed up. Please just stop if your not going to read the story your opinion is worthless.

My error, I thought he was a passenger in the hit and run vehicle. I have reread the article once again and it appears the officers were doing an investigation near him and he engaged them with his pipe. He propably should have stayed on his porch. Like I have said, none of us know exactly what happened there. And also like I have said many times, it is best to never get involved with police when they are trying to do their job.

[NineSpine]

A developmental disability just means he was deaf. Just look at the words and what they mean. being deaf is a disability that would also hinder his development. He wasn't mentally disabled. Anyone saying he has a mental disability either doesn't know what that means or they're being dishonest. A mental disability is something like bipolar or autism. Mental disability means they don't fully have control of their mental abilities.

He was deaf and developmentally disabled. He was unable to even use sign language.

[petej0]

We've already had the dialogue. This is settled. Gun control works, period. If you don't think it is worth the cost, that's fine, but it works.

As a gun rights advocate, I will say that it needs work.

[urasim]

I quoted what you wrote.

So, the answer is "yes, I don't understand what you're saying" because you obviously haven't gotten the clue.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/ma...the-most-guns/

The 10 countries with the most guns

USA - 112.6 guns per 100 residents
Serbia - 75.6
Yemen - 54.8
Switzerland - 45.7
Cyprus - 36.4
Saudi Arabia - 35
Iraq - 34.2
Uruguay - 31.8
Sweden - 31.6
Norway - 31.3

You're FACTUALLY wrong.

[NineSpine]

As a gun rights advocate, I will say that it needs work.

We have dozens of case studies, they are called "states and countries" and the evidence is clear as day.

[urasim]

He was deaf and developmentally disabled. He was unable to even use sign language.

Being deaf is a developmental disability. He wasn't mental disabled as so many seem to think.

[Antiganon]

A developmental disability just means he was deaf. Just look at the words and what they mean. being deaf is a disability that would also hinder his development. He wasn't mentally disabled. Anyone saying he has a mental disability either doesn't know what that means or they're being dishonest. A mental disability is something like bipolar or autism. Mental disability means they don't fully have control of their mental abilities.

You clearly are just making up facts to back up your ridiculous narrative.

Being developmentally disabled means that he has an impairment in terms of learning. This can mean he has a hard time learning how to speak, how to interact in social situations, how to solve complex math problems, how to use critical thinking, any number of things. It can also mean none of the things I just listed, and be something else entirely. It's an incredibly broad term.

He was deaf AND developmentally disabled. They are not the same thing.

[Salty Maud]

Is america using unpaid interns for police or something? They sound completely incompetent and way too reckless to possess firearms.

[petej0]

Please stop with this canard. You know as well as I, that just like climate change, people will not believe anything that goes against their bias. The US loves its guns, so we will continue seeing kids, cops and everyone in between killed by them.

When has the right ever listened to those fandangled "scientists" and their "empirical evidence"? They have their god and guns, that's all they need.

Nothing to do with bias, but discuss ways to better what we have.

The left and the right both use science when it suits their cause.

[Allybeboba]

Yes, because people aren't asking them to stop being police. They are asking them to stop being shitty at it.

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The federal government is literally banned from doing research into the topic, so how do you expect them to have an informed conversation?

If only we could expect people to stop being criminals we might not need so many police. Pitiful part is we have many people defending criminals over police.

[NineSpine]

So, the answer is "yes, I don't understand what you're saying" because you obviously haven't gotten the clue.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/ma...the-most-guns/



You're FACTUALLY wrong.

Quote the incorrect fact, please.

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If only we could expect people to stop being criminals we might not need so many police. Pitiful part is we have many people defending criminals over police.

The police we are attacking are criminals.

[Antiganon]

My error, I thought he was a passenger in the hit and run vehicle. I have reread the article once again and it appears the officers were doing an investigation near him and he engaged them with his pipe. He propably should have stayed on his porch. Like I have said, none of us know exactly what happened there. And also like I have said many times, it is best to never get involved with police when they are trying to do their job.

The cops were on his lawn, talking to him. The car used in the hit and run was reported to be at his address.

Hard not to get involved with police when they are literally asking you questions.

[Allybeboba]

Is america using unpaid interns for police or something? They sound completely incompetent and way too reckless to possess firearms.

Are other countries?

[urasim]

You clearly are just making up facts to back up your ridiculous narrative.

Being developmentally disabled means that he has an impairment in terms of learning.
This can mean he has a hard time learning how to speak, how to interact in social situations, how to solve complex math problems, how to use critical thinking, any number of things. It can also mean none of the things I just listed, and be something else entirely. It's an incredibly broad term.

He was deaf AND developmentally disabled. They are not the same thing.

No shit. That's what I said in a far less intellectual way.

Being deaf IS the developmental disability. A mental disability is something different. You clearly have never studied biology or psychology.

[Antiganon]

No shit. That's what I said in a far less intellectual way.

Being deaf IS the developmental disability. A mental disability is something different. You clearly have never studied biology or psychology.

Really?

Developmental disability is a diverse group of chronic conditions that are due to mental or physical impairments. Developmental disabilities cause individuals living with them many difficulties in certain areas of life, especially in "language, mobility, learning, self-help, and independent living".[1] Developmental disabilities can be detected early on, and do persist throughout an individual's lifespan. Developmental disability that affects all areas of a child's development is sometimes referred to as global developmental delay.

Most common developmental disabilities:

Fragile X syndrome (FXS) is thought to cause autism and intellectual disability, usually among boys.
Down syndrome is a condition in which people are born with an extra copy of chromosome 21. Normally, a person is born with two copies of chromosome 21. However, if they are born with Down syndrome, they have an extra copy of this chromosome. This extra copy affects the development of the body and brain, causing physical and mental challenges for the individual.
Pervasive developmental disorders (PDD) are a group of developmental disabilities that can cause significant social, communication and behavioral challenges.
Fetal alcohol spectrum disorders (FASD) are a group of conditions that can occur in a person whose mother drank alcohol during pregnancy. FASDs are 100% preventable if a woman does not drink alcohol during pregnancy.
Cerebral palsy (CP) is a group of disorders that affect a person’s ability to move and maintain balance and posture. CP is the most common motor disability in childhood.[1]
Intellectual disability, also (sometimes proscriptively) known as mental retardation, is defined as an IQ below 70 along with limitations in adaptive functioning and onset before the age of 18 years.[2]

Not sure you have any idea what you are talking about.

[urasim]

Quote the incorrect fact, please.

Okay.

They also don't have guns at least nowhere near the amount that America has.

What? Yes, they do.

Guess you only read the first five words of every post. But YOU ARE WRONG HERE.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

My error, I thought he was a passenger in the hit and run vehicle. I have reread the article once again and it appears the officers were doing an investigation near him and he engaged them with his pipe. He propably should have stayed on his porch. Like I have said, none of us know exactly what happened there. And also like I have said many times, it is best to never get involved with police when they are trying to do their job.

Staying on his porch and not getting involved would have been reasonable yes but as he was disabled he might of it thought that way and in Canada many disabled people are taunt that cops are freinds and people you go to if you need help/ are lost etc. Not that I know if they are tyrant something similar in America. But in a case like this you really can't apply what a normal person would disabilitys should have done.