May calls for a transition period.

[ranzino]

Didn't we already have 2 years of transition?

Honestly I'd rather we just pull the plug now and get out as soon as possible.

Seems to me even tories tend to disagree by now.

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Doesn't exit from brexit mean you stay in EU? I see why they may be confused...

could become complicated: if you cannot "untrigger" article 50, UK will have to negotiate its terms of staying too, not just return to status pre referendum.

[Malacrass]

Doesn't exit from brexit mean you stay in EU? I see why they may be confused...

Brexit has no majority in the parliament, the only reason they triggered the Brexit was the referendum - and since May tried to play hardball with the famous "brexit means brexit" line, they maneuvered themselves into a corner.

So my guess is that they don't want time to seriously negotiate Brexit, but to prolong the talks as long as they can in the hopes that the public opinion leans towards "stay" eventually. This could be fueled with "uncomfortable truths" sinking in every couple months, after every negotiation talk. Do this for a few years and I wouldn't be surprised if they hold another referendum in 4 years, this time about the conditions of the Brexit (which of course will be awful on paper).

[ranzino]

Brexit has no majority in the parliament, the only reason they triggered the Brexit was the referendum - and since May tried to play hardball with the famous "brexit means brexit" line, they maneuvered themselves into a corner.

So my guess is that they don't want time to seriously negotiate Brexit, but to prolong the talks as long as they can in the hopes that the public opinion leans towards "stay" eventually. This could be fueled with "uncomfortable truths" sinking in every couple months, after every negotiation talk. Do this for 4 years and I wouldn't be surprised if they hold another referendum in 4 years, this time about the conditions of the Brexit (which of course will be awful).

oh come on: hold that referendum next year and give all info in advance.

[ati87]

it baffles me that the UK didn't have a clear plan before triggering article 50, let alone before campigning for brexit in 2016. It's staggering most of the brexiters didn't know what leaving the EU entails and requires.

Why is it a surprise to anybody?

People where warning this for months before the vote and they where all outright dismissed as false or ''we don't care since it's the price for freedom''

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that's the thing. i want to believe at least that the pro brexit and pro remain were both campaigning in good faith, just have different opinion about the future of their country, i can respect that.

But in order to campaign for something, it seems to me you have to understand what you are campaigning for, what leaving the EU means on the short, medium and long term.

it just look like they were so unprepared for it. Whether you are a pro EU or not, you have to believe the EU is a massive political, economic and legal entity, you can't go into negociation with it unprepared, you are going to get eaten alive.

In good faith seriosuly?

The day after (literally) the whole campaign came back on half the promises they made.

Nothing was in good faith with these pricks

[primalmatter]

I worry that this is simply a stalling tactic in hopes of getting another vote...

[Glnger]

remember when after the first day after the brexit vote they axed the bit where the ~$500million in yearly EU payments would go to the HHS?

The internet remembers
http://www.businessinsider.com/europ...17-8?r=UK&IR=T

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remember when after the first day after the brexit vote they axed the bit where the ~$500million in yearly EU payments would go to the HHS?

The internet remembers
http://www.businessinsider.com/europ...17-8?r=UK&IR=T

The original figures on the side of the battle bus of £350 million a week have long been proven wrong. It is widely accepted the true costs of EU membership are far in excess of this, almost double in fact.

https://www.brugesgroup.com/blog/cos...european-union

If only the true figure of £660 million a week was given more publicity at the time of the referendum the result would have been even more decisive.

[Pann]

The original figures on the side of the battle bus of £350 million a week have long been proven wrong. It is widely accepted the true costs of EU membership are far in excess of this, almost double in fact.

https://www.brugesgroup.com/blog/cos...european-union

If only the true figure of £660 million a week was given more publicity at the time of the referendum the result would have been even more decisive.

Hmm, I thought that it was widely acknowledged, even within the leave campaign, that the £350million figure represented the gross figure and not the actual net figure we pay to the EU.

I get the impression you're not even trying any more, still I don't doubt you'll get a few bites.

[ranzino]

350m or 660m per week: 2 years more to pay is an ugly toad to swallow. AND still not enough to come even with your obligations, i guess. there is a final sum left

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350m or 660m per week: 2 years more to pay is an ugly toad to swallow. AND still not enough to come even with your obligations, i guess. there is a final sum left

It's fine. 2 years of payments is fine, considering the alternative is a lifetime of payments.

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It's fine. 2 years of payments is fine, considering the alternative is a lifetime of payments.

Its still going to be a lifetime of payments, pay for access.

The Tories are trying to pass the buck a few years because of thier taliban like right wing insurgency within the party.

They still haven't made any concrete breakthroughs in negotiations or clarified thier positions. Finally they are exposed for the jokes they are.

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because of thier taliban like right wing insurgency within the party. They still haven't made any concrete breakthroughs in negotiations

How about, no. Negotiations haven't even actually started yet, that's where we're at. What's your position on this? Labour's? I get that not a single politician wanted this; bar Boris and Nigel, but that's the point. Politicians barricaded themselves into a Westminster echo-chamber and acted surprised when the rest of the country spoke up and said, actually, "EU, fuck off".

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How about, no. Negotiations haven't even actually started yet, that's where we're at. What's your position on this? Labour's? I get that not a single politician wanted this; bar Boris and Nigel, but that's the point. Politicians barricaded themselves into a Westminster echo-chamber and acted surprised when the rest of the country spoke up and said, actually, "EU, fuck off".

Has Labour made up its mind what its position is yet?
My position is that its a complete waste of money and time, bad for the UK.

I mean the NI border, becoming a third country, all the new facilities and new departments you are going to need and plan for the installation and equipping.

Presently there are no negotiations worth speaking of. We have not submitted anything close to an actual position paper so how can the EU negotiate with us. progress is 0 after 15 months, and the ministers involved still don't know the difference between a customs union and the single market.

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Has Labour made up its mind what its position is yet?
My position is that its a complete waste of money and time, bad for the UK.

I mean the NI border, becoming a third country, all the new facilities and new departments you are going to need and plan for the installation and equipping.

Presently there are no negotiations worth speaking of. We have not submitted anything close to an actual position paper so how can the EU negotiate with us. progress is 0 after 15 months, and the ministers involved still don't know the difference between a customs union and the single market.

Labour doesn't really have a position - it states its position post-event.

I don't think the NI thing will become a thing, It's easy to establish a trade border without establishing a hard border; they use the Euro, we use the Pound.

I think it's hard to state a position, when we don't know what our position is. To do so would be to invite the EU to rip us a new one, and given the bipartisan nature of our politics at the moment, failure means absolute failure.

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Labour doesn't really have a position - it states its position post-event.

I don't think the NI thing will become a thing, It's easy to establish a trade border without establishing a hard border; they use the Euro, we use the Pound.

I think it's hard to state a position, when we don't know what our position is. To do so would be to invite the EU to rip us a new one, and given the bipartisan nature of our politics at the moment, failure means absolute failure.

You have to have a position to negotiate....

Also the NI is a thing. The EU polices its frontier, on leaving we become a third country, the NI border becomes that frontier. So if we don't want a hard border it means we have to ask the EU to not police its frontier. But its us whos requesting this as we are chose it. Which means we can't diverge from existing regulatory regime and allow imports at differing standards, so we its either stay in the single market or accept a border.

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You have to have a position to negotiate....

Also the NI is a thing. The EU polices its frontier, on leaving we become a third country, the NI border becomes that frontier. So if we don't want a hard border it means we have to ask the EU to not police its frontier. But its us whos requesting this as we are chose it. Which means we can't diverge from existing regulatory regime and allow imports at differing standards, so we its either stay in the single market or accept a border.

Ireland would make that request, since it's an interested party. And the EU would accept it, because it's vested in the interests of Ireland. From the EU's perspective, the only problem would be if the UK decided to make a hard border to limit European immigration through NI or whatever.
Note the hypothetical "would": nobody is interested in changing anything GoodFriday related.

[Mormolyce]

Has she asked the EU about this?

Globalism is just like entitlements, once you are in you can never get out.

Hates globalism, votes for the party of globalist corporations. Top kek.

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Why is it a surprise to anybody?

People where warning this for months before the vote and they where all outright dismissed as false or ''we don't care since it's the price for freedom''

Nationalists are irrational, essentially.

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Why is it a surprise to anybody?

People where warning this for months before the vote and they where all outright dismissed as false or ''we don't care since it's the price for freedom''

Nationalists are irrational, essentially.

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Ireland would make that request, since it's an interested party. And the EU would accept it, because it's vested in the interests of Ireland. From the EU's perspective, the only problem would be if the UK decided to make a hard border to limit European immigration through NI or whatever.
Note the hypothetical "would": nobody is interested in changing anything GoodFriday related.

This simply isn't how it works. Its a hard border or the UK will have to compromise.

The UK has instigated this process its on them to make suggestions. The government seems to be intenially fudging making any, so that it can paint itself as the victim of the EU. Its insane. Empty rhetoric and vague aspirations. The UK position papers are so bad, there is really no basis for negotiation.

This is now a national crisis.

[Shadowmelded]

How about, no. Negotiations haven't even actually started yet, that's where we're at.

What? We've already had four rounds of negotiations. That's after we stalled and wasted a year.

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What? We've already had four rounds of negotiations. That's after we stalled and wasted a year.

It’s taken us until now to work out what our own position is, we’ve not even really started to negotiate a deal with the EU.