Vegetarian cheese, the most hypocritical product there is

[MCMLXXXII]

As the title suggests, vegetarian cheese.

Most cheese is made by mixing milk with rennet. Those are enzyms habiting in a cow's stomach, even more in calves. Vegetarian cheese replaces that with a chemical or yeast.
In order for a cow to produce milk it should have calved recently, or given birth as we call it with humans. Only 30% of those calves are used to become a new generation of milking cows. The rest will end up in the slaughterhouse where they will also be used for the rennet which resides in their stomachs.

Long story short: eat cheese and enjoy some veal from time to time like a normal human being. Or go full vegan and don't even touch cheese. But vegetarian cheese is for hypocrites.

[Hengwulf]

How is that hypocritical if they avoid using rennet? It seems to be completely along the vegetarian principles, so not hypocritical at all.

[MCMLXXXII]

How is that hypocritical if they avoid using rennet? It seems to be completely along the vegetarian principles, so not hypocritical at all.

So the 70% of the calves born, just so the cows can produce milk, which have no further use, are collateral damage?

[DSRilk]

As the title suggests, vegetarian cheese.

Most cheese is made by mixing milk with rennet. Those are enzyms habiting in a cow's stomach, even more in calves. Vegetarian cheese replaces that with a chemical or yeast.
In order for a cow to produce milk it should have calved recently, or given birth as we call it with humans. Only 30% of those calves are used to become a new generation of milking cows. The rest will end up in the slaughterhouse where they will also be used for the rennet which resides in their stomachs.

Long story short: eat cheese and enjoy some veal from time to time like a normal human being. Or go full vegan and don't even touch cheese. But vegetarian cheese is for hypocrites.

Most is totally incorrect. It's actually very few types of cheese, and most (at least here in the US) use other processes to make the cheeses anyway.

[DSRilk]

So the 70% of the calves born, just so the cows can produce milk, which have no further use, are collateral damage?

Cows producing milk isn't an issue for vegetarians, whether because they are only doing it for health reasons or because they are doing it for moral reasons, but only use cow-friendly dairy.

[Malacrass]

We reached a point where we HAVE to resort to rennet alternatives, whether you are a vegetarian, vegan or whatever.

This isn't about catering to vegans or vegetarians, it's about meeting the demand.

[zoomgpally]

So the 70% of the calves born, just so the cows can produce milk, which have no further use, are collateral damage?

They are born to produce meat for us people who eat meat.

Vegetarians eating cheese or not won't affect that

[Auxora]

The key word in that is "also used for rennet". I actually worked in a slaughterhouse for a couple years in my younger days and can tell you that every single bit of every cattle are used for something. The obvious #1 is meat, but every other part including parts you wouldn't think of like eyeballs are used for things like chemicals that go into makeup. So the 70% are mainly going to meat processing but the other parts, including rennet, aren't wasted. It's not like the 70% are being killed only or primarily for the rennet, or that the rest of the cow is tossed. It would be clearer to explain it that 30% go to milk production, 70% go to meat (and leather, and rennet, and dozens of other things).

I get what you mean though. I know people that are vegetarians driving cars with leather seats, and it's like where do you think it comes from?

[Logwyn]

How is that hypocritical if they avoid using rennet? It seems to be completely along the vegetarian principles, so not hypocritical at all.

If I remember correctly you can use something like almond milk or soy milk then get the rennet produced by a type of fungus to make cheese.

This would completely by pass animal product altogether. How it tastes I have no experience with.

[MCMLXXXII]

Most is totally incorrect. It's actually very few types of cheese, and most (at least here in the US) use other processes to make the cheeses anyway.

Still they all use milk, don't they? In the USA you don't even have to tell you are using rennet.
The most popular cheeses around the world use rennet.

[IIamaKing]

I always thought the effort of trying to make veg foods takes like meat foods to be funny. Its like these people admit that meat tastes better than a tofu hunk.

[MCMLXXXII]

The key word in that is "also used for rennet". I actually worked in a slaughterhouse for a couple years in my younger days and can tell you that every single bit of every cattle are used for something. The obvious #1 is meat, but every other part including parts you wouldn't think of like eyeballs are used for things like chemicals that go into makeup. So the 70% are mainly going to meat processing but the other parts, including rennet, aren't wasted. It's not like the 70% are being killed only or primarily for the rennet, or that the rest of the cow is tossed. It would be clearer to explain it that 30% go to milk production, 70% go to meat (and leather, and rennet, and dozens of other things).

I get what you mean though. I know people that are vegetarians driving cars with leather seats, and it's like where do you think it comes from?

Exactly which makes it even more hypocritical to eat cheese and don't eat meat.

[Deleted]

I guess it should matter for ethical vegetarians

[Xandrigity]

There are other ways to get the same enzyme reaction other than with the rennet and vegetarians choose to buy cheese made with the later. I don’t see how that makes them a hypocrite.

Cheese is great source of protein and calcium I think it’s great vegetarians have a choice to eat cheese if they wish.

[DSRilk]

Still they all use milk, don't they? In the USA you don't even have to tell you are using rennet.
The most popular cheeses around the world use rennet.

Yes, they all use milk, which is why I only by milk produced by farms that I have researched and trust to treat their animals humanely. Thus, it's a non-issue for me. As to rennet... again, there are tons of cheeses that don't require rennet, and many that used to be made using rennet that no longer use it. A simple google search will show you a list of many brands and many types of cheese that are rennet free.

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I always thought the effort of trying to make veg foods takes like meat foods to be funny. Its like these people admit that meat tastes better than a tofu hunk.

Most people aren't vegetarians because they dislike the flavor of meat...

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I guess it should matter for ethical vegetarians

If his facts were remotely correct it might...

[MCMLXXXII]

There are other ways to get the same enzyme reaction other than with the rennet and vegetarians choose to buy cheese made with the later. I don’t see how that makes them a hypocrite.

Because the milk needed to make the cheese results in 7 out of ten calves born get a one-way ticket to the slaughter house.

[DSRilk]

Because the milk needed to make the cheese results in 7 out of ten calves born get a one-way ticket to the slaughter house.

Only on farms many vegetarians don't support.

[Mosotti]

What about the "vegetarians" that eat fish and eggs? I bet those are more hypocritical than this cheese thingy

[Softbottom]

Sounds about as dumb as the butcher shop in the downtown core here that doesn't sell meat lol.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Many vegetarians are hypocrites but i wouldn't say eating cheese is the same as eating meat as you can get milk/chesse from smaller farms and you don't need to kill the cow for milk.