The other side of the fat debate -- Obesity is complicated

[meowfurion]

The obesity problem starts by the generalization of a cause

No, it starts by taking in more calorie sources than you expend.

Your body can't create fat unless it has a source for it.

[DarkAmbient]

Losing weight isn't complicated.

[LMuhlen]

I read the other day that children who suffer from malnutrition may develop a condition into adulthood where their bodies are constantly trying to form fat tissue because it is in permanent survival mode.

It was an article on how industrialized food was creating a subgroup of children which were both obese and malnourished due to very caloric food with no nutritional value. They were too short for their age and extremely fat, and those children would carry this on through all their lives.

[Najnaj]

I read the other day that children who suffer from malnutrition may develop a condition into adulthood where their bodies are constantly trying to form fat tissue because it is in permanent survival mode.

It was an article on how industrialized food was creating a subgroup of children which were both obese and malnourished due to very caloric food with no nutritional value. They were too short for their age and extremely fat, and those children would carry this on through all their lives.

Every body is permanently trying to form fat tissue. There is no food with no nutritional value. "Industrialized food" is a term that lacks meaning. A vast majority of studies get debunked and even more turns out not to have been a study at all....

[LMuhlen]

Every body is permanently trying to form fat tissue. There is no food with no nutritional value. "Industrialized food" is a term that lacks meaning. A vast majority of studies get debunked and even more turns out not to have been a study at all....

I mean, I'm passing on the message as I remember it, sorry if I'm not technically accurate when passing along a curious notion I read a while ago. If you can't make the connections to go from what I wrote to what it means, I think you are just actively trying to deny it without taking it into consideration.

Their bodies are trying to form fat tissue at a rate that much surpasses the normal rate, meaning it gives such a priority that the person doesn't get the chance to burn the energy before it becomes fat. Or something like that.

The food has very poor nutritional values and lacks key nutrients which lead to malnutrition. Those kids didn't eat anything "natural".

"industrial food" would refer to processed food, is that acceptable to you? Can you picture what I mean by that? Kind of like the difference between eating a carrot and eating a chocolate bar.

And this study has a very strong pillar in it, the malnourished fat children actually exist.

[Najnaj]

I mean, I'm passing on the message as I remember it, sorry if I'm not technically accurate when passing along a curious notion I read a while ago. If you can't make the connections to go from what I wrote to what it means, I think you are just actively trying to deny it without taking it into consideration.

Their bodies are trying to form fat tissue at a rate that much surpasses the normal rate, meaning it gives such a priority that the person doesn't get the chance to burn the energy before it becomes fat. Or something like that.

The food has very poor nutritional values and lacks key nutrients which lead to malnutrition. Those kids didn't eat anything "natural".

"industrial food" would refer to processed food, is that acceptable to you? Can you picture what I mean by that? Kind of like the difference between eating a carrot and eating a chocolate bar.

And this study has a very strong pillar in it, the malnourished fat children actually exist.

We are still lacking the study and you are using words that mean nothing. Tofu is a processed food and belladonna is natural. Chocolate isn't bad for you unless you eat too much of it and the same can be said for carrots.

Again, a vast majority of studies are debunked. Check the John Oliver episode on "Studies" for some fun facts.

[ro9ue]

Why would someone eat egg whites? Egg whites are empty calories.

Uh it's pure protein lol.

[AeneasBK]

Losing weight isn't complicated.

It is in nearly every case a lot harder to put on weight than it is to lose it.

[Toogoodman]

Have you looked inward to try and figure out why it is you hate certain kinds of people so fervently, and why this is such a personal issue for you? It can't be healthy to get this agitated about an issue that doesn't affect you in any way.

The problem is, and i agree with him on this, is that people in today's society want to blame their problems on absolutely anything but their personally choices, because people think they're infallible. Add that whole "its not my fault" mentality, along with the "body shaming" movement, and you've got a recipe for disaster. Now, not only are people blaming everything but their personal choices for their obesity, now they think "healthy at any weight" which is fallacy.

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It is in nearly every case a lot harder to put on weight than it is to lose it.

100%, people eating 5-8k calories a day eat a seriously MASSIVE amount of food, when simply watching what you eat will help a ton. It is not hard to say "maybe i should get 1 burger instead of 4", no ones saying everyone needs to eat a vegan/keto/paleo diet, but show so god damn restraint.

[prwraith]

No, it starts by taking in more calorie sources than you expend.

Your body can't create fat unless it has a source for it.

And if you have a genetic issue that causes you to burn a stupidly low calorie count per day? What's your solution an insane amount of workout or only eating 500 calories a day ?

[Toogoodman]

And if you have a genetic issue that causes you to burn a stupidly low calorie count per day? What's your solution an insane amount of workout or only eating 500 calories a day ?

There is medication that regulates the hormones to fix that problem

[prwraith]

There is medication that regulates the hormones to fix that problem

Indeed there is buttt you'd have to actually go to a doctor to know that. However, the way people believe obesity works is that they must diet / workout to the extreme until it gets fixed. Fat people will end up killing themselves because they don't know any better, because every time the subject comes up people will tell them it's a simple calories in / calories out problem which it MIGHT be but isn't always.

[Queen of Hamsters]

I especially love how doctors will prescribe anti-depressants like they're ear medication, and many of said anti-depressants have a very tangible side effect: Weight gain.

A big issue is that the discussion is so heavily infected by the "I win at life because I'm not fat!!"-people, projecting their own realities and feels onto the millions of people struggling.

Pfft people eating 3 meals a day trying to find out why they are a fat bastard.

Eat less, and quit wasting time and money looking for excuses.

... Actually, healthy diets contain 3 meals a day with 2 snacks between, keeping the caloric intake at a healthy level but spreading it out so as to keep the body "burning".

[meowfurion]

And if you have a genetic issue that causes you to burn a stupidly low calorie count per day? What's your solution an insane amount of workout or only eating 500 calories a day ?

Name the genetic issue that causes you to burn a "stupidly low calorie count per day." Please tell me which medical diagnosis that is. What is "stupidly low?" I mean, since you have chosen to attempt to debate the issue, could you be specific exactly which genetic disorder, listed in a medical textbook, "causes the sufferer to burn a stupidly low calorie count per day."

[DarkAmbient]

It is in nearly every case a lot harder to put on weight than it is to lose it.

Hard is not the same as complicated.

[LMuhlen]

We are still lacking the study and you are using words that mean nothing. Tofu is a processed food and belladonna is natural. Chocolate isn't bad for you unless you eat too much of it and the same can be said for carrots.

Again, a vast majority of studies are debunked. Check the John Oliver episode on "Studies" for some fun facts.

Ok, what about junk food? Is that an expression that you understand? It was an article about how food giants (Nestlè, Coca Cola and others), seeing the developed world as a saturated market, were investing for some years now on poor regions of developing countries, bringing their food by means of house to house saleswomen who received training in nutrition in order to convince themselves and their clients that the food they were selling was all that you needed, so they created entire communities who were feeding themselves and their children almost exclusively with junk food/processed food/industrialized food or whatever you want to call the food those companies produce.

The companies defended themselves saying they have a large range of "healthy" food, but in reality, those costumers only bought a very narrow selection of food and started presenting all the symptoms of malnourishment while getting fatter, and when those children became teenagers and young adults, even with change of habits they would still keep getting fat.

I tried finding the article I read, but couldn't find it. Take it whatever way you like.

[Ealyssa]

Why would someone eat egg whites? Egg whites are empty calories.

WTf ? No they aren't.

And here start the problem. Most people are stupidly clueless about nutrition and/or believe some retarded shit they think are true.

What a calorie is, how to mix carbs, prot and fat to have a healthy diet. That's all the basic knowledge people have lost nowadays. That should be taught in schools.

[prwraith]

Name the genetic issue that causes you to burn a "stupidly low calorie count per day." Please tell me which medical diagnosis that is. What is "stupidly low?" I mean, since you have chosen to attempt to debate the issue, could you be specific exactly which genetic disorder, listed in a medical textbook, "causes the sufferer to burn a stupidly low calorie count per day."

I'll simply leave this link to harvards study https://www.health.harvard.edu/stayi...ome-overweight and while I can't name a specific diagnosis you can read for yourself that over 400 genes have been linked to varying degrees of impact on metabolism and other things.

[meowfurion]

I'll simply leave this link to harvards study https://www.health.harvard.edu/stayi...ome-overweight and while I can't name a specific diagnosis you can read for yourself that over 400 genes have been linked to varying degrees of impact on metabolism and other things.

Are you or others in this thread trying to come up with excuses for people to not bother with dieting and exercise? I am still trying to find the genetic issue which causes people to "burn a stupidly low amount of calories" because that article has zero information on that topic. It simply says some people are genetically predisposed to gaining weight and some people are predisposed to losing it.

In ANY case, there isn't a single invididual on this earth (IN GENERAL, exceptions do occur, but rarely, very rarely, and I am not referring to them in any way) who won't benefit from increased exercise and calorie moderation.

[prwraith]

Are you or others in this thread trying to come up with excuses for people to not bother with dieting and exercise? I am still trying to find the genetic issue which causes people to "burn a stupidly low amount of calories" because that article has zero information on that topic. It simply says some people are genetically predisposed to gaining weight and some people are predisposed to losing it.

In ANY case, there isn't a single invididual on this earth (IN GENERAL, exceptions do occur, but rarely, very rarely, and I am not referring to them in any way) who won't benefit from increased exercise and calorie moderation.

You got really aggressive for really no reason here. I think diet and exercise (mostly diet) is 100% key in any weight loss plan. However I think blindly giving people that advice isn't always a good idea. There'sa reason all workout plans say "check with your doctor first". My concern is that people skip this step and do irreperable harm to their bodies because they don't know any better. They don't know what issues are happening inside of them that may be affected by a radical change in intake and physical activity. This is especially true for people who are massivley overweight and experiencing health issues that are not easily ascertainable.