The Brexit aftermath thread

[Pann]

Corbyn rules out remaining if Labour were to win a snap election in the New Year but not to worry he'll try to renegotiate May's deal.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...icy-leaving-eu

So my fellow remainers we now have two Hopes; Bob Hope and no hope, but unfortunately Bob is dead.

[Slant]

Corbyn rules out remaining if Labour were to win a snap election in the New Year but not to worry he'll try to renegotiate May's deal.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...icy-leaving-eu

So my fellow remainers we now have two Hopes; Bob Hope and no hope, but unfortunately Bob is dead.

Corbyn is an idiot. Pointed this out weeks ago already, people like him are the reason why the crash is almost inevitable. Complete disconnect from reality. Hasn't got the first clue about anything outside the UK. Which is sad, because half the time he asks the right questions during PMQs. But I fear he asks the right questions for all the wrong reasons. He's almost building a case for a second referendum but when May starts screeching at him or does her wonderful "I'm laughing at everything you say" impression (yes, that was sarcasm) he sits down and thinks he did a good job.

[Kallisto]

Dang, it makes me furious. And I knew exactly this would happen when this thread started... I'm afraid we'll hear a lot more stories like this in the future.

But blue passports. Border control. Unelected burocrats. Rule Britannia. Churchill. World wars. This guy is just not supporting brexit enough. If he was a no deal 100% fully behind brexit he'd be a strong and stable billionaire business owner.

[Slant]

But blue passports. Border control. Unelected burocrats. Rule Britannia. Churchill. World wars. This guy is just not supporting brexit enough. If he was a no deal 100% fully behind brexit he'd be a strong and stable billionaire business owner.

Did you follow that Twitter thread? They're speaking about banging on the doors on Westminster. I mean, it's just talk now... but I think a wager on that actually happening is not the worst money spent.

[Kallisto]

Corbyn is an idiot. Pointed this out weeks ago already, people like him are the reason why the crash is almost inevitable. Complete disconnect from reality. Hasn't got the first clue about anything outside the UK.

Back to serious now. Corbyn is floopa if floopa was a politician. He wants out of EU and push in a Marxist style grab of industries. Either that or he simply wants to never be PM, just the guy in opposition who gets to bitch, moan, threaten and when the chips are down and time to be responsible does a runner.

Vince Cable would be a better head of the official opposition.

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Did you follow that Twitter thread? They're speaking about banging on the doors on Westminster. I mean, it's just talk now... but I think a wager on that actually happening is not the worst money spent.

I did. But dribbles is away so someone had to play his part, even if I had to post with 100% sarcasm. Come on Slant you know I'm likely the most pro remain person in the uk in this thread

[Noradin]

Corbyn rules out remaining if Labour were to win a snap election in the New Year but not to worry he'll try to renegotiate May's deal.

My condolences?

Do you have a date, yet, for when they will rename the country "demented kingdom"?

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I did. But dribbles is away so someone had to play his part, even if I had to post with 100% sarcasm.

Oh no, dribs is right here, I just quoted him.
He's just taking a breather from pretending to be insane.

[Slant]

Back to serious now. Corbyn is floopa if floopa was a politician. He wants out of EU and push in a Marxist style grab of industries. Either that or he simply wants to never be PM, just the guy in opposition who gets to bitch, moan, threaten and when the chips are down and time to be responsible does a runner.

Vince Cable would be a better head of the official opposition.

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I did. But dribbles is away so someone had to play his part, even if I had to post with 100% sarcasm. Come on Slant you know I'm likely the most pro remain person in the uk in this thread

Oh, I got the sarcasm, but I had to vent my incredulity somewhere and your post was the first one under my fingers... it's not even what Corbyn wants domestically, like what you described... that's domestic crap that is entirely uninteresting to me. You do your thing, but he actually legit thinks there's still any serious talking to the EU without getting nothing more than a mild chuckle out of Juncker? That's borderline insanity. And he's the best Labour can come up with? So yeah, when you talk about his Marxist dreams, I actually believe you. He would be that stupid, I guess.

Dribbles is on vacation? Okay, that would explain the rather civil debating here in the past few weeks.

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Corbyn has been a eurosceptic throughout his parliamentary career, this is business as usual.

Well, I've heard it said before... but May is a Remainer so... if she flips and does what she thinks is right, shouldn't the opposition by default... you know, oppose? I see no realistic way from the outside how you can turn this around at this stage. You seem abandoned. Doesn't make any sense... in 100 years when they discuss this, I imagine it going something like this "they talked about democracy and how they're taking their sovereignity back from the perceived undemocratic EU... and they did that by being more undemocratic than they have been in the previous centuries and in the process lost the sovereignity they had and entered a quasi-vassal status/destroyed their own economy to a FUBAR state".

[Kallisto]

The problem with the opposition is that the MPs in Labour want to oppose but Corbyn doesn't in this regard. He wants to bluster and moan but that's about it. The MPs though can't oust him. They don't have a 1922 committee variant as far as I am aware in the Labour party and leadership voting isn't just from the MPs but also every party member from top to bottom including many unions which are lock step behind him.

Last leadership challenge of the Labour leadership Labour had 232 of which only 18 supported him (essentially his inner circle) while basically the other 214 wanted the other guy Owen Smith. (Who was shadow Northern Ireland Secretary after 2017 general election, but was sacked by Corbyn because he dared to call for another vote). The whole thing is a clusterfuck and i'm sure FPTP is one of the reasons behind it as well.

[Pann]

Back to serious now. Corbyn is floopa if floopa was a politician. He wants out of EU and push in a Marxist style grab of industries. Either that or he simply wants to never be PM, just the guy in opposition who gets to bitch, moan, threaten and when the chips are down and time to be responsible does a runner.

Vince Cable would be a better head of the official opposition.

In fairness given that 60% of their constituencies voted leave I don't think that pushing to remain was ever an option for Labour. However I do think that the ambiguity over their Brexit stance, which rightly or wrongly many remainers have placed faith in, is going to come back and bite them.

[Acidbaron]

I like twitter can always find a heartwarming christmas brexit story

https://twitter.com/batanball/status...30038251622400

And the brexit has yet to happen, that's what people don't seem to realize.

[Slant]

And the brexit has yet to happen, that's what people don't seem to realize.

Remember when they told us the EU would be begging for a trade deal? Remember how Dribs told us the EU would suffer the most? Those were fun times, weren't they...

[Acidbaron]

Remember when they told us the EU would be begging for a trade deal? Remember how Dribs told us the EU would suffer the most? Those were fun times, weren't they...

You don't have to go so far back some of the regular posters here still claim today the brexit vote did no harm and the actual brexit will not change much

[Deleted]

So basically as the Lib Dems can't be trusted, the only option is to vote green.

[Slant]

So basically as the Lib Dems can't be trusted, the only option is to vote green.

What an option...

[Deleted]

I like twitter can always find a heartwarming christmas brexit story

https://twitter.com/batanball/status...30038251622400

His twitter name should be called bat and baaaawwwwwwwwww. He manages to cram in nazis,marxists,fascists,russians,EDL into the first page of his posts.

[Mormolyce]

Corbyn rules out remaining if Labour were to win a snap election in the New Year but not to worry he'll try to renegotiate May's deal.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...icy-leaving-eu

So my fellow remainers we now have two Hopes; Bob Hope and no hope, but unfortunately Bob is dead.

It's honestly baffling to me. The whole purpose of having two parties is that they offer you two options.

And they won't really need it.
Here is the thing, the projections for Brexit just show what seems like a small lose of GDP over the next decade. It seems . . .negligible.
But the context is:
a) There will also be significant inflation
b) When you already have little or no disposable income, a small loss is enough to put you in the red

As for SMEs, the Single Market is an amazing boon for SMEs. Simply put, SMEs normally cannot manage the complexity of exporting abroad. The SM makes it possible. And SMEs don't really get to diversify so critical events can be enough to shut them down. They are fragile. And the vast majority of employees are employed by SMEs.

So why don't you go on twitter and tell this guy how it's his fault for being an SME, and if he was just a rich corporation with a huge law department and lobbyists he'd be fine rofl.

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His twitter name should be called bat and baaaawwwwwwwwww. He manages to cram in nazis,marxists,fascists,russians,EDL into the first page of his posts.

So basically a cross section of Britain in 2018.

[Triks]

Sooooo, are you guys having another referendum when the parliament votes down the deal?

[Deleted]

Well remainers could vote for the liberal democrat party. At this point you might as well, both Labour and Tories have proven themselves entirely incompetent over the past few decades.

the lib dems sold out students when the got into bed with the tories last time around. Thier brand is too tarnished, i will never forgive them. Spineless.

Greens are the only remain party in England worth voting for (and progressive), SNP in Scotland and who fucking knows about Wales/NI

[Acidbaron]

What an option...

Greens are in general on the rise all over Europe with a few exceptions, i'm not a big fan of them but they do seem to offer a different brand of left wing politics compared to the older socialist parties that well have completely lost their ways. If that's a good thing i can't say.

Their focus on environment is good, although a bit radical as in demanding things to change fast at the cost of other things. So i wouldn't want to be in a nation fully under the control of the greens as they seem to be too idealistic and too little realistic when it comes to policies.

[Slant]

Greens are in general on the rise all over Europe with a few exceptions, i'm not a big fan of them but they do seem to offer a different brand of left wing politics compared to the older socialist parties that well have completely lost their ways. If that's a good thing i can't say.

Their focus on environment is good, although a bit radical as in demanding things to change fast at the cost of other things. So i wouldn't want to be in a nation fully under the control of the greens as they seem to be too idealistic and too little realistic when it comes to policies.

Oh, I think the Greens are not bad as a supplemental junior partner in a coalition. I just wouldn't want to depend on them to rescue the nation, for pretty much the reasons you outlined. They need an adult to supervise them, they are not able to make the big decisions.

Btw, you know what fucks with my mind these days... We are essentially talking about entirely different parties, you thinking of your Belgian flavour (or perhaps the British one even) and I'm thinking of our German one... it still makes sense and our statements are still largely valid, regardless of which national Greens you're speaking about.

And people say Europe isn't homogenized already to a ridiculous amount.