Blood elves, high elves and what could have been

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i said the same about two elves, this train has no brakes Friendly, you might as well hop on.

[Obelisk Kai]

And why is that ? Its not like blizzard was forced to pick any of them. And hell midgets would be much better than any of those choices.

Because it was just a thought experiment. For the thought experiment to work you had to pick one of the two options.

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They also deprive the Horde of ever getting Undead elves. Dark rangers/Undead elves are just Void elves with red eyes. Horde will never get to play the same race as their Warchief.

At this point that's a price worth paying.

[Garfurion]

Undead Elves could still be possible using the wretched/pointy-eared Forsaken model.

[Arrashi]

Because it was just a thought experiment. For the thought experiment to work you had to pick one of the two options.

Then its simple - void elves simply out of spite, to forever taint alliance with cringe. It is worse of bad endings, but its limited to alliance only.

[Verdugo]

They also deprive the Horde of ever getting Undead elves. Dark rangers/Undead elves are just Void elves with red eyes. Horde will never get to play the same race as their Warchief.

You say it like its a bad thing for the Horde players.

[Arrashi]

You say it like its a bad thing for the Horde players.

In monotone: "Oh no, we will never be able to play undead elves. What will happen now ?"

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I still think the Alliance only getting Lightforged would have been better than getting Void Elves. They are stupid asspull Bullshit that doesn't belongs to the Lore. Like Rose Tico. And like Rose Tico, they should get scrapped.

[Maljinwo]

The game is also overloaded with elf races at this point. 4 elf race choices is already way more than even the biggest elf-loving MMOs out there. We don't need more.

Meanwhile on 8.3:

After a group of 10, maybe 12 elves got lost running Throne of the Four Winds during Cataclysm, they were captured by the minions of Al'Akir and imbued with the power of blowing gentle wind in people's faces. Now, known in their tongue as Lel'dorei, the Air Elves emerge from their elemental plane, destined to bring winds of change to all of Azeroth.

[Obelisk Kai]

I still think the Alliance only getting Lightforged would have been better than getting Void Elves. They are stupid asspull Bullshit that doesn't belongs to the Lore. Like Rose Tico. And like Rose Tico, they should get scrapped.

Is there any franchise whose decisions don't piss off you?

[Khirok]

I just dislike How Void Elves being unconmected to the Silver Covenant makes all that lore they got over the years empty and meaningless. Like. What's the point of High Elves getting more lore than Dwarves, Gnomes, and Worgen, if you're not going to connect that content to a playable race?

[Obelisk Kai]

I just dislike How Void Elves being unconmected to the Silver Covenant makes all that lore they got over the years empty and meaningless. Like. What's the point of High Elves getting more lore than Dwarves, Gnomes, and Worgen, if you're not going to connect that content to a playable race?

You do realise that is entirely subjective right?

What have the High Elves actually done to encourage this belief that they get more lore than the Alliance playable races?

Participated in the purge of Dalaran and been present on the isle of thunder as part of Dalaran's forces. And was the purge entirely their story on the Alliance side?

No, the purge was the story of Jaina Proudmoore losing her patience with the Horde with the Silver Covenant as a supporting force.

Just as the Silver Covenant were a supporting force on the Isle of Thunder.

Conversely the last big Gnome moment was the attempt to retake Gnomeregan prior to Cataclysm. That event was built around Gnomes, led by Gnomes and moved the Gnome story forward.

The purge of Dalaran and the Isle of Thunder moved JAINA's story forward.

Saying the Silver Covenant get lore imbues their guest roles with way too much meaning. It is wishful thinking.

[Khirok]

You do realise that is entirely subjective right?

What have the High Elves actually done to encourage this belief that they get more lore than the Alliance playable races?

Participated in the purge of Dalaran and been present on the isle of thunder as part of Dalaran's forces. And was the purge entirely their story on the Alliance side?

No, the purge was the story of Jaina Proudmoore losing her patience with the Horde with the Silver Covenant as a supporting force.

Just as the Silver Covenant were a supporting force on the Isle of Thunder.

Conversely the last big Gnome moment was the attempt to retake Gnomeregan prior to Cataclysm. That event was built around Gnomes, led by Gnomes and moved the Gnome story forward.

The purge of Dalaran and the Isle of Thunder moved JAINA's story forward.

Saying the Silver Covenant get lore imbues their guest roles with way too much meaning. It is wishful thinking.

Wishful thinking? What. Just count How many High Elves you see in MoP compared to the aforementioned races. I remember getting bitter there were more High Elf than Worgen NPC's.

They showed up as members of Alliance forces and outnumbered the other forces who showed up?(npc wise) There were more High Elves fighting and doing stuff in ToT than Kirin tor, who generally stuck to defending bases.

That is What I am talking about. Npc representation and showings. 5.2 should have been the Alliances Mages matching wits with the Blood Elves.

[DeicideUH]

You do realise that is entirely subjective right?

What have the High Elves actually done to encourage this belief that they get more lore than the Alliance playable races?

Participated in the purge of Dalaran and been present on the isle of thunder as part of Dalaran's forces. And was the purge entirely their story on the Alliance side?

No, the purge was the story of Jaina Proudmoore losing her patience with the Horde with the Silver Covenant as a supporting force.

Just as the Silver Covenant were a supporting force on the Isle of Thunder.

Conversely the last big Gnome moment was the attempt to retake Gnomeregan prior to Cataclysm. That event was built around Gnomes, led by Gnomes and moved the Gnome story forward.

The purge of Dalaran and the Isle of Thunder moved JAINA's story forward.

Saying the Silver Covenant get lore imbues their guest roles with way too much meaning. It is wishful thinking.

* Was the main Alliance force in Dalaran during WotLK
* Was the group that championed the Alliance in the Argent Tournament
* Was the Alliance force that held Vol'jin's call in front of Zul'aman
* Was the main Alliance group in the Purge of Dalaran
* Was the main fighting force for the Kirin Tor Offensive in Isle of Thunder
* Its leader participated in the Siege of Orgrimmar
* It's one of the three ranger corps you seek for aid in the Hunter campaign.
* Participated (with a small force, sure) in the Insurrection of Suramar. Its leader was the Alliance counterpart to Rommath.
* Its leader participated in the Argus campaign and sought Alleria during all Legion.

Those are no small feats, and all of the events (with the exception of Zul'aman, maybe) were very important to those expansion's plotlines.

If they didn't get a lot of development, it's just because they are not a playable race. And, unlike any non-playable race, they've been constantly featured over multiple expansion.

[Obelisk Kai]

Wishful thinking? What. Just count How many High Elves you see in MoP compared to the aforementioned races. I remember getting bitter there were more High Elf than Worgen NPC's.

They showed up as members of Alliance forces and outnumbered the other forces who showed up?(npc wise) There were more High Elves fighting and doing stuff in ToT than Kirin tor, who generally stuck to defending bases.

That is What I am talking about. Npc representation and showings. 5.2 should have been the Alliances Mages matching wits with the Blood Elves.

MOP was four and a half years ago. That was their big appearance and they weren't acting their own but as part of Dalaran's forces or have you forgotten the big victory Jaina delivered to Varian was not 'the Silver Covenant now sides with the Alliance' but 'Dalaran now sides with the Alliance'.

The Silver Covenant live in Dalaran. They work for Dalaran. What you call the Silver Covenant's big moment was really showing the consequences of Dalaran rejoining the Alliance, just as Jaina said. And since the SC live in Dalaran, voila, SC NPCs on isle of thunder.

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* Was the main Alliance force in Dalaran during WotLK

Paired with the Sunreavers, a small group of Blood Elven Mages. The Sunreavers are not a major force within the Horde, just as the SC are not a major force within the Alliance.

* Was the group that championed the Alliance in the Argent Tournament

Paired with the Sunreavers, a small group of Blood Elven Mages. The Sunreavers are not a major force within the Horde, just as the SC are not a major force within the Alliance.

* Was the Alliance force that held Vol'jin's call in front of Zul'aman

Fair enough, but that made sense in the context of the threat Zul'Aman posed to the lands of all the High Elves. Occupied by the playable ones.

* Was the main Alliance group in the Purge of Dalaran

Which was because as a group they have been treated as a counterpart to the Sunreavers.

* Was the main fighting force for the Kirin Tor Offensive in Isle of Thunder

They live in Dalaran and that was a consequence of Dalaran, not the SC, joining the Alliance.

* Its leader participated in the Siege of Orgrimmar

Veressa is a named character. And not long for this world it seems...

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It's one of the three ranger corps you seek for aid in the Hunter campaign.

Ah so playable SC High Elves will only be Hunters then. Makes sense, all the Mages are probably Kirin Tor and thus neutral again.

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Participated (with a small force, sure) in the Insurrection of Suramar. Its leader was the Alliance counterpart to Rommath

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Where it was pointed out they are muddying their blood through their associations and losing their distinctiveness. Maybe they are seeding Half Elves.

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Its leader participated in the Argus campaign and sought Alleria during all Legion.

Which was more about her relationship with Alleria and you know this.

Those are no small feats, and all of the events (with the exception of Zul'aman, maybe) were very important to those expansion's plotlines.

Ironic you say that as ZA is the only area I am willing to concede they had some impact all of their own, albeit in furthering the story of the Blood Elves.

If they didn't get a lot of development, it's just because they are not a playable race.

A lot of the instances you mentioned above, in fact all of them that involved the SC and not just Veressa, paired them with the Blood Elves. So the playable High Elves do get development.

[DeicideUH]

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Whatever, Kai, you are too stuborn to admit something you don't want to even when it's harmless to your cause.

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Whatever, Kai, you are too stuborn to admit something you don't want to even when it's harmless to your cause.

He is right though. The only time the Silver Convenant acted for their own race was on Zul'Aman, all the other times were as Dalarani pro-Alliance militia.

[Aeula]

Whatever, Kai, you are too stuborn to admit something you don't want to even when it's harmless to your cause.

He’s correct. Apart from Zul’aman Their entire lore has been simply to have them as opposition to the Blood Elves.

With Vereesa likely dying in BfA, what do the Silver Covenant have?

Seems like you’re the stubborn one.

[Arrashi]

Did they even do anything in ZA other than standing near the enterance ?

[vastx]

If Blizzard decided to add High Elves in some future expansion, couldn't the low population of the race be easily (eh, weakly covered)? They could just do the ol' "xxx years ago a splinter group left Silvermoon City and secretly settled on long forgotten "X" island east of Eastern Kingdoms". It could be done. May have some backlash for 23,898 Elf subraces. Plus the whole racial balancing. I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't play one either, but I wouldn't mind.

[DeicideUH]

He is right though. The only time the Silver Convenant acted for their own race was on Zul'Aman, all the other times were as Dalarani pro-Alliance militia.

"For their own race."
They are not blood elves.

They are a Dalarani pro-Alliance militia, and that's the point!

He’s correct. Apart from Zul’aman Their entire lore has been simply to have them as opposition to the Blood Elves.

With Vereesa likely dying in BfA, what do the Silver Covenant have?

"Their entire lore has simply to have them as opposition to the blood elves"
And what's wrong with that? That's also the point.

They are not playable, it's useless to put them against playable race standards. The point is that they are featured way more often than other races, even some playable ones. They'll will only be truly unique if they become playable someday (which I don't think will happen anymore). They had potential, doesn't mean they were fully unique.