yes those are the exception, I'm not trying to hide that, they required above average effort for their 40 man counter parts.
I guess its like ppl say, different times, naxx 25 was easier for a number of reasons, ppl knew what to expect from the mechanics, all the classes were a lot more beefier with their abilities, players, at least i got through most of tier 6 prior to wrath so my skill was a lot better than it was at level 60.
a lot of factors play into measuring the difficulty of a raid. i think naxx 40 a second time around would be easier because of the prior knowledge but i feel it will still require the same amount of prep.
Re-read the OP, MOST of the fights have mechanical differences. Nearly all abilities which required reaction time were more stringent in the 40-man version, and all the abilities requiring to avoid stuff were harder (to to having twice to four times more people to stuff in the same place) so it's hardly an "exception".
People didn't knew the mechanisms better, because Naxx40 had been seen by only a tiny amount of people. There was barely (if any) more knowledge of the fight for the overwhelming majority of the players than for any regular raid where you can look up the tactics on the Net.I guess its like ppl say, different times, naxx 25 was easier for a number of reasons, ppl knew what to expect from the mechanics
Going through T6 after patch 3.0 is completely meaningless and has nothing to do with "playing better". But yes, the classes are much more powerful (and that's also a reason why T6 post-3.0 is meaningless).all the classes were a lot more beefier with their abilities, players, at least i got through most of tier 6 prior to wrath so my skill was a lot better than it was at level 60.
It will be "easier", yes. It will not be "easy" by any stretch, and people who go in expecting to see a slightly buffed Naxx80 are in for a brutal awakening.a lot of factors play into measuring the difficulty of a raid. i think naxx 40 a second time around would be easier because of the prior knowledge but i feel it will still require the same amount of prep.
(if Blizzard actually keeps the same tuning, obviously, if they start to fiddle with things then everything is off the bet)
No doubt everything will be easier! People have practiced killing dragons for many years since vanilla Naxx, that alone will make a huge difference. Ultimately WoW is still a numbers game though, and numbers in Naxx 40 were very unforgiving, so even if it'll be easier it won't be easy. I think people coming in from Naxx 25 expecting a similar experience will be very surprised, though I suppose AQ40 might've tempered them by then.
Naxx 80 was the first raid of the expansion, designed for people in dungeon and quest blues.
There was no hard mode, and both 10 and 25 man versions were designed for people with the same item level.
The hardest thing in that tier was Sartharion-25 with 3 drakes up. How did that compare to old Naxx, a raid few of us even saw?
This is so true.
many people hate on resistgear being a thing, i always enjoyed getting a party together to get some resist gear in dungeons or just craft stuff. Classic was maybe abit extreme in this sense but in BC i remember getting a shadowset for BT and a nature / ice? set for SSC (first boss). i thought that was doing and pretty fun to collect.
also i remember getting 3 ice resist pieces for Naxx 80 ... but was a let down that was. We cleared naxx80 in 2 days being a black temple / sunwell plateau guild. Naxx was such a letdown that our guild broke down due to boredom ... shame
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Sarth 25 - 3D was very well doable for any organised raiding guild back then. Esp if you raided BT / SP prior.
As someone who cleared both naxx 60 and naxx 80, at 80 it was a undertuned joke, you went there and basically 1 shot every boss as soon as you had enough people at 80.
The main issue will be the logistics. Getting enough geared people and keeping them all the way through to being able to start Naxx is no joke. So many guilds crumbled due to members jumping ship to a better progressed guild. The amount of times we had to do a farm MC run to gear up a new guy was annoying. Same for AQ40 we kept having to go back to MC/BWL to get additional gear for new recruits.
Dedicated raiders will clear nax, will it be "easier" this time round with the same tuning. Yes, the strats are well known, it won't be super easy by any means. It just won't be the same giant wall it was in Vanilla though.
There is no doubt that Nax 80 was way easier. The issue will be how easily cleared will it be on Classic wow. IMO I think we will see far more than the original clear rate. The issue will be how well people handle the upkeep of more than 40 raiders.
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Naxx vanilla vs Naxx WotlK discussions bug me since WotK. Naxx was back in WotlK because only 1% of the players in Classic had seen the raid. But in when we easily ran through Naxx it was because "everybody knew the fights from classic". Let that sink in. It was all about the numbers. I remember a lot of people laughing at classic raiders, because "wow, naxx is really use, you sucked back then".
So how will it be in Classic wow? Don´t know, nobody will know how hard the raids will be before we know what patches and QoL improvements we are talking about. But if the tune it like classic in the old days, there won't be more clears than back then.
Classic Naxxramas was harder than WoTLK Naxxramas, but even Classic Naxxramas is totally overestimated. Most of the difficulty is in preparation and management, not the tactics.
Get 40 people attuned, get them frost resist gear for Sapphiron, deal with having 8 tanks to be able to take down Four Horseman. And so on.
This is not difficulty intrinsic to the raid itself, but like I said: more so preparation and managing to pull 8 tanks out of your ass.
It's not just frost resist gear either, it's getting 40 people enough gear to be able to both pull the DPS necessary and actually survive the high damage output. Keep in mind that vanilla loot drops aren't exactly generous, gearing up takes time. With perfect luck it takes 20 weeks of full clears of MC, BWL and Onyxia just to get everyone in the raid their tier 2 sets, and ideally you want tier 2.5 to work on Naxx - and that's not even counting the additional people you need to gear up since you probably won't have the same 40 every single raid.
I actually do, but I say that knowing I won't have time to participate in the vanilla raid game one more time :P I won't get into Naxx 40 again, but I'll still play and enjoy WoW Classic. Looking forward to selling Mountain Silversage for ridiculous prices to all the people who do push into Naxx 40, at least!