New Leveling and Dungeon Finder - Still ruins the experience

[Deleted]

I would personally never level again if Blizzard did what you want them to do and they forced me to grind through all the same shit I've done dozens of times. There is no proof that other people would make the game world perceptibly different in any way if you took away dungeon finder.

Put yourself in the shoes of a new player.
"World of Warcraft the best MMORPG on the market i was told"
What do you do? Spam dungeons for 100 levels in the main city. That's it. Thats the experience WoW gives right now and dont even try to tell me otherwise.
We all know this is the truth, want to admit it or not.

"You wouldn't level a character if there wasnt a LFD"
You are telling me you wouldnt level in the world if it was 10 times faster than LFD spam? You would level in the world if it was optimal because everyone does the optimal way.

Plus, you think maybe Blizzard has done more reasonable analysis on the issue of what people really want than you have? They are a huge money making enterprise, you're just someone who whines and complains on a forum about how much better the game used to be.

Blizzard is correcting mistakes every expansion. Thats all they do. They correct mistakes every single expansion.
Saying Blizzard makes no mistakes is insane.
What do you think the new leveling system is next patch? Correcting mistakes.

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

The only reason its even worth doing dungeons is because of the portal and queue. Otherwise, much like classic, there would be no reason to do dungeons.
There is no logical reason to remove it at this point, especially after the buffed it to make it more viable. Feel free to make a group and go run there yourself though. You'll quickly realize that without the portal there is no point.

[kary]

Have you ever levelled a character after initial wave of levelling? I leveled my mage in TBC when 2.0.3 came out, you know what? Half of zones where I quested on my undead mage were empty. I rarely saw anyone in Brill, Silverpine and so on, prob as many people as I see now.

And there's no LFD. Yet people were elsewhere...

Exactly this. Once the initial wave passes, all the zones are for the most part dead.
Happened less in vanilla cus new people were always starting, but tbc onward most of the world was desolate. That's how the genre works.

[leviathonlx]

Put yourself in the shoes of a new player.
"World of Warcraft the best MMORPG on the market i was told"
What do you do? Spam dungeons for 100 levels in the main city. That's it. Thats the experience WoW gives right now and dont even try to tell me otherwise.
We all know this is the truth, want to admit it or not.

"You wouldn't level a character if there was not LFD"
Well, you can always buy a level boost.
And you are telling me you wouldnt level in the world if it was 10 times faster than LFD spam? AH right. You would level in the world if it was optimal because everyone does the optimal way.



Blizzard is correcting mistakes every expansion. Thats all they do. They correct mistakes every single expansion.
Saying Blizzard makes no mistakes is insane.
What do you think the new leveling system is next patch? Correcting mistakes.

Since I totally didn't spam for dungeons while sitting in a city in vanilla. Nope not at all.

[Ealyssa]

Now we are talking. We now have zone scaling, and dungeon scaling so why make the game quepopcraft?.

Isn't this sentence just like admiting "I'm too retarded to not use something I don't like" ?

Honestly confused. And supporting of the multiple disabilities OP may have. Real life must be hard, stick to games. You can do it !

[Deleted]

Exactly this. Once the initial wave passes, all the zones are for the most part dead.
Happened less in vanilla cus new people were always starting, but tbc onward most of the world was desolate. That's how the genre works.

This is false, as a kid i did world pvp videos with that crappy Fraps program. I used to find dozens of people in Redridge Mountains Duskwood and STV. Dozens.

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Isn't this sentence just like admiting "I'm too retarded to not use something I don't like" ?

Honestly confused. And supporting of the multiple disabilities OP may have. Real life must be hard, stick to games. You can do it !

Are you ret...a retri paladin?
Why would i level in a way that is 5 times slower? That yes is retarded. Oh and alone because everyone else is in dungeons.

[bravoart]

'Immersion' seems to be synonymous with 'inconvenient' nowadays.

If you don't feel immersed by a game, with whatever ethereal definition you want to give it, that's ultimately on you, not the game.

[kary]

This is false, as a kid i did world pvp videos with that crappy Fraps program. I used to find dozens of people in Redridge Mountains Duskwood and STV. Dozens.

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Are you ret...a retri paladin?
Why would i level in a way that is 5 times slower? That yes is retarded. Oh and alone because everyone else is in dungeons.

You have a reading comprehension difficulty, I'm sure of it.
And sure, bust out your recordings of ganking. Let's see these "dozens"

[Vakna]

There is literally zero chance for such a huge QoL feature to just suddenly get removed from the modern gaming experience. It has never happened and it will never happen, you don't progress by going backwards.

[glowpipe]

Don't have to fix something that aint broken

[Deleted]

You have a reading comprehension difficulty, I'm sure of it.
And sure, bust out your recordings of ganking. Let's see these "dozens"

I dont have those videos anymore, it was like 7 years ago.
I was still a kid man, i was in Duskwood and Redridge Mountains all day doing pvp as a lvl 30 Horde.
I just remember one video where i ganked a hunter in duskwood. He /kneel to me, i rolled the "this is madness! Madness? This is Sparta" audio clip and used the spell "kick" to finish him off.

Best video i have ever made in Windows Movie Maker I know, i was a dumb kid.

But seriously, there were dozens of low levels there in late Burning Crusade.

[Laqweeta]

>>Blizz should stop pushing new players into dungeons because the xp is too good with heirlooms


??????????

You realize new players can't get heirlooms right?

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Quests only? No. But I do quest while leveling plenty, especially post-classic when dungeons only give maybe a third of a bar.

Also as for

>>LFD is the entire reason why people dont level in the world. Are people actually serious when they say otherwise?

No, the reason people don't level in the world is because dungeons give xp quickly, and quests don't. The answer to that is not to remove LFD, that's not the problem. The answer is to balance the xp given sohat quests in the world give roughly the same amount of xp per time invested as dungeons do.

Yes they can. Heirlooms sell for gold and once someone knows how to make gold (200 stack of copper ore for 20k) they can have a full set of heirloom even on a trial account. Gone are the days of needing a max level.

[Darktbs]

Put yourself in the shoes of a new player.
"World of Warcraft the best MMORPG on the market i was told"
What do you do? Spam dungeons for 100 levels in the main city. That's it. Thats the experience WoW gives right now and dont even try to tell me otherwise.
We all know this is the truth, want to admit it or not.

No, a player that is starting the game(unless by recomendation of a friend)wouldn't know that spam dungeons is the best way and even then, you need Heirlooms for it to be eficient.

Dungeon spaming is done by people who ALREADY DONE THE LEVELING CONTENT BEFORE.

Hell, if you are using personal experiences then i have a friend that was leveling, i recommended that he got Heirlooms but even then, he still choose to level with quests.You wanna know why?Its a choice.

Yes players will choose the best way to level but you still have the choice.A person can tell herself, i want to do quests, and they will.

"You wouldn't level a character if there wasnt a LFD"
You are telling me you wouldnt level in the world if it was 10 times faster than LFD spam? You would level in the world if it was optimal because everyone does the optimal way.

You know that the way people talk is that if there weren't LFD WITH the current system of quests, people wouldn't level alts.

NOt that they wouldn't level even if there was a better system.

[Deleted]

No, a player that is starting the game(unless by recomendation of a friend)wouldn't know that spam dungeons is the best way and even then, you need Heirlooms for it to be eficient.

Dungeon spaming is done by people who ALREADY DONE THE LEVELING CONTENT BEFORE.

Hell, if you are using personal experiences then i have a friend that was leveling, i recommended that he got Heirlooms but even then, he still choose to level with quests.You wanna know why?Its a choice.

Yes players will choose the best way to level but you still have the choice.A person can tell herself, i want to do quests, and they will.

They can choose to level by questing but is a painfull and lonely experience. No one else does it.
You can say that is a choice, but is a choice that is less effective.
My only problem with LFD is that it prevents people from being in the world.
But i know LFG is not the only problem.

Just imagine how the world would be filled with players with CRZ, the new scaling low level zones...and if LFD was not so broken.
Everyone would be in the world.
Thats the true world of warcraft experience.

Look, i know i have no remedy, all i want is classic servers. Im going to stop because this is pointless. For me retail has so many problems that are beyond fixing.
I will just be quiet and wait for Classic from now on...

[AwkwardSquirtle]

I don't do the queueing in a major city thing because it's just so dull. I can't put up with it for long enough to get any real gains from it. Not being able to touch any mob because it falls over instantly is really boring.

[Spookysheep]

You can eat soup with a fork. Try it. It's lots of fun.
Forget the spoon (LFD) spoon is for losers. Lets all eat soup with a fork (leveling in the world).

I don't think that a single one of the words you typed mean what you think they mean.

[Deleted]

I don't think that a single one of the words you typed mean what you think they mean.

Analogy.
Is it a hard to understand one? Not really, you are just playing dumb on me.

[cparle87]

That argument man...why do so many people say this?
Are you playing dumb on purpose?
If LFD is the absolute best way for leveling...then 99% will do it because is optimal. The rest 1% is roleplayers and people who enjoy questing even though is slower and there is a overpowering method like LFD.

This argument was seen so many times in the "flying threads" and is so...dumb.

Have you ever considered that everyone is saying it because it's true? Or can you not accept that your opinion is the minority's?

[SirCowdog]

Have you ever considered that everyone is saying it because it's true? Or can you not accept that your opinion is the minority's?

Shadowpunkz is known for this. Refusing to acknowledge truth or facts because it disagrees with her point of view. This was the case in the many flying threads, the "prestige" of rare gear thread, and many others. I'd say she was trolling, but I think it's just plain old stubborn refusal to change opinion based on new facts or evidence.

[Deleted]

Shadowpunkz is known for this. Refusing to acknowledge truth or facts because it disagrees with her point of view. This was the case in the many flying threads, the "prestige" of rare gear thread, and many others. I'd say she was trolling, but I think it's just plain old stubborn refusal to change opinion based on new facts or evidence.

Some stuff is as clear as day to me and people still find ways to say otherwise just to protect Blizz i guess...

So people are saying "Players dont level in the world by choice" "it's a choice" "it's not the systems fault"

When there is an overpowering system in place like LFD...
I give up, i cant explain it any better.
I already used the anology of eating soup with a fork instead of using a spoon.
If your father saw you eating soup with a fork he would place you in a mental institution...but what do i know...