Meeting extra terrestrial life how important is it to you?

[Unholyground]

And i can promise you nothing. Wonder how you can promise anything.

Because it would have happened already.

[Endus]

I'm sure that's your highest priority...
...just as soon as you figure out food, water, air...among so much else.

Food and water and air are easy.

Figuring out how to not cook to death from radiation long-term, less so. Even on the ISS, you pick up enough rads to make yourself ineligible for further space travel, eventually, and the ISS is partially protected by the Earth's magnetic field. Current trip plans for Mars with current protections in place would expose astronauts to nearly the maximum currently permitted, just for the trip there, not to mention return trips or exposure on-site. If we're talking about actual long-term habitation in space or on planets without magnetic field protections comparable to Earth's, radiation is the biggest problem. Otherwise, by the time kids reach school age, they're probably already developing dangerous cancers.

There's a reason you get a lot of sci-fi showing how easy it is to handle food and water and air, but very few comprehensive approaches to radiation exposure that don't just hand-wave the issue completely by either ignoring it or saying there's magic shielding so shut up about it.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

This is why we need to leave Earth as soon as possible.
An advanced and smart race will always put space exploration as the highest priority.
With that in mind, we should have already meet other races, but we didn't.

Right...because we've been to the moon...and we didn't find life...therefore the entire universe is barren....

[Tuor]

You're making assumptions based on what we think we know...

I'm not making any assumptions, i'm giving you facts.

Alien technology is exactly that; alien.

I can guarantee you that alien technology obbeys to the same phisiscs rules as ours, rule #1, you can't accelerate matter to the speed of light.

[Shadowferal]

I'm not making any assumptions, i'm giving you facts.

How can you assume these "facts" pertain to alien science and technology...?

I can guarantee you that alien technology obbeys to the same phisiscs rules as ours,

Then you know something that no scientist worth his PhD would ever claim to know. When can we expect your paper on alien sciences to be peer-reviewed?

[Jessicka]

How can you assume these "facts" pertain to alien science and technology...? Then you know something that no scientist worth his PhD would ever claim to know. When can we expect your paper on alien sciences to be peer-reviewed?

They would obey the same physics, however, they may have a greater understanding of physics that would enable them to do things we haven't worked out yet - but we could do those things once we did work them out because the physics to do it would still apply to us, and them, alongside the things that we already know. Physics doesn't work the way it does because that's how we understand it, nor does it fundamentally change once our understanding does. It works the way it does because that's how it works, it is not space magic, it's mechanical certainty which is why it can be calculated.

[schmonz]

Because it would have happened already.

It could happen any moment there are guys in power which think they could win a nuclear war. You should watch russian propaganda, they pretend they can.

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This is why we need to leave Earth as soon as possible.
An advanced and smart race will always put space exploration as the highest priority.
With that in mind, we should have already meet other races, but we didn't.

We are way to fragile to live in space without earth. So just lets stay here and save our habitate. Lets put guys like putin in jail instead. That is where mass murderers and warmongers belong.

[Shadowferal]

They would obey the same physics, however,

You would think that because you've no knowledge of your limitations. Figure out the math and just maybe you might begin to understand. Just don't rely on the basic 0-9.

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We are way to fragile to live in space without earth. So just lets stay here and save our habitate.

I fully agree on our fragility.

[Tuor]

You would think that because you've no knowledge of your limitations. Figure out the math and just maybe you might begin to understand. Just don't rely on the basic 0-9.

The one that doesn't understand is you. Within this universe the laws and we can imply the limitations are the same to everyone, there are no sowflakes.

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Just because, you know the universe wasn't created diferently to the aliens, so same laws of physics.

[En Sabah Nur]

Important to me? Not even a little bit. We have plenty to worry about right here before we even really think of looking beyond it.

You would think that because you've no knowledge of your limitations. Figure out the math and just maybe you might begin to understand. Just don't rely on the basic 0-9.

I'd love for you to go into the math and explain it for me.

[Shadowferal]

I'd love for you to go into the math and explain it for me.

That's the problem, there is no math. That was his^ challenge. The very iconography and symbols that we use to denote numbers and positional notation wouldn't be used by aliens. And our own symbols that denote "0-9" would be very different and may actually translate to "0-12" for example, because of how they've figured out physics that work for them.
The upshot is..unlike Tuor we can't know. Anyone making any claim differently needs to prove it., preferably in a peer review journal.

[Tuor]

That's the problem, there is no math. That was his^ challenge. The very iconography and symbols that we use to denote numbers and positional notation wouldn't be used by aliens. And our own symbols that denote "0-9" would be very different and may actually translate to "0-12" for example, because of how they've figured out physics that work for them.

Doesn't matter the symbols you use a 0 e still a 0 and a 9 still a 9, the fact that an alien civilization would use diferent notation doesn't change the value of the attributed symbols used.

Numbers despict quantity, they not abstract like symbols, like calculating the amount of energy required to accelarate x matter to the speed of ligh, sorry to 99% the speed of light.

The upshot is..unlike Tuor we can't know.

We know quitte a lot, and we have accelerated matter to nearly the speed of light, enought to know that at that time you required with more energy in a endless loophole, that matter is never hiting 100%.

Anyone making any claim differently needs to prove it., preferably in a peer review journal.

Alienology isn't science, you can't even understand what numbers are, understanding science is beyond your skills.

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Pointless to argue science with someone that doesn't understand it, have a nice day, i'm terminating this pointless discussion because i don't want to infract... and because its pointless.

[Shadowferal]

A New Study Says Maybe Aliens Already Terraformed Other Planets

"A fundamental goal of astrobiology is to detect life outside of Earth. This proves to be an exceptional challenge outside of our solar system, where strong assumptions must be made about how life would manifest and interact with its planet,” the paper reads. “Here we explore a model of life spreading between planetary systems via panspermia and terraformation. Our model shows that as life propagates across the galaxy, correlations emerge between planetary characteristics and location, and can function as a population-scale agnostic biosignature."

One of the major headaches of trying to find life beyond Earth is that scientists are working with a sample size of one. Because of our cosmic ignorance, many assumptions have to be made about how various life forms would interact with their planets and host star systems.

[Jessicka]

You would think that because you've no knowledge of your limitations. Figure out the math and just maybe you might begin to understand. Just don't rely on the basic 0-9.

That was literally what the rest of the post you cut said.

[schmonz]

A New Study Says Maybe Aliens Already Terraformed Other Planets

Considering how life evolved on earth up to now and how stupid it is, i would not wonder if a few space alien races terraformed a few planets into uninhabitable radiating planets with boiling oceans and destroyed life already. At least their own home planet.

Probably seti should not search for signs of civilizations, but for signs of failed civilizations. That could have a way better chance than finding alien socities which did not destroy themself.

Instead of looking for radio signals, they should look for radiation.

[Gabriel]

Considering how life evolved on earth up to now and how stupid it is, i would not wonder if a few space alien races terraformed a few planets into uninhabitable radiating planets with cooking oceans and destroyed life already. At least their own home planet.

Probably seti should not search for signs of civilizations, but for signs of failed civilizations. That could have a way better chance than finding alien socities which did not destroy themself.

Instead of looking for radio signals, they should look for radiation.

This fatalist mindset is so boring.

[schmonz]

This fatalist mindset is so boring.

Just realistic.

[Gabriel]

Just realistic.

There is nothing realistic about it. We literally have 100% rate of civilizations not ending themselves with nuclear weapons.

[schmonz]

There is nothing realistic about it. We literally have 100% rate of civilizations not ending themselves with nuclear weapons.

We have a 100% rate of civilizations destroying their own habitate
We have a 100% rate of civilizations doing wars against each other over and over

And you want to pretend it does not just need an insane autocratic leader to turn the world into a radiating wasteland?

My guess is no civilization managed to master the big filter (see fermi paradox). And we surely will not as well.

To quote Albert Einstein: “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”

We are simply too stupid to prevail. As arguments i bring Vladimir Putin being in power, Elon Musk being responsible for Starlink (well, and wanting to go to .. Mars?), Donald Trump having being voted into office (and probably getting voted back into) and us destroying our own home with using fossile fuels. In 2024. After we know about climate change. For a long time already. Really, no Satire manages to create as stupid scenarios. Reality is way worse than any silly idea any satire could bring up.

While our cars fart CO2 into the atmosphere, we watch infotainment clips on the internets (which mainly is filled with fake informations and porn) about how climate is going to change and that at this very moment thousands of species go extinct. We know what we do, we just are too stupid to care or simply do not want to know as we want to continue to drive our fossile fuel car.

[Gabriel]

We have a 100% rate of civilizations destroying their own habitate
We have a 100% rate of civilizations doing wars against each other over and over

And you want to pretend it does not just need an insane autocratic leader to turn the world into a radiating wasteland?

My guess is no civilization managed to master the big filter (see fermi paradox). And we surely will not as well.

To quote Albert Einstein: “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”

We are simply too stupid to prevail. As arguments i bring Vladimir Putin being in power, Elon Musk being responsible for Starlink (well, and wanting to go to .. Mars?), Donald Trump having being voted into office (and probably getting voted back into) and us destroying our own home with using fossile fuels. In 2024. After we know about climate change. For a long time already. Really, no Satire manages to create as stupid scenarios. Reality is way worse than any silly idea any satire could bring up.

While our cars fart CO2 into the atmosphere, we watch infotainment clips on the internets (which mainly is filled with fake informations and porn) about how climate is going to change and that at this very moment thousands of species go extinct. We know what we do, we just are too stupid to care or simply do not want to know as we want to continue to drive our fossile fuel car.

Call me back when we kill ourselves with nukes.