Attacking one's grammar means you have no arguments against them. Good job!
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You linked two. Feel free to link more. It won't make a difference, because --again-- it's an inescapable fact that the Windwalker and Mistweaver specs are not defined by 'making brews'.
I do believe that quote was in response to him saying I lacked basic English skills, but whatever.
I think this thread no longer requires this tired conversation. When the next class arrives and it falls within the pedigree (and it will), I expect nothing but silence from you at first, and childish denials later.You linked two. Feel free to link more. It won't make a difference, because --again-- it's an inescapable fact that the Windwalker and Mistweaver specs are not defined by 'making brews'.
Per usual.
Jesus christ, how many times do you flip a day? "The warlock was never meant to be the Demon Hunter" was your sloga. Anyway... just like the DH, abilities like Bladestorm, Hex and others can be take out of the classes and be given to a new one.
No, no. I remember vividly. Even when presented with HotS abilities you called it a Rogue. Fan of Knives, calling the Spirit of Vengeance a shadow clone, etc, etc...It was just a Rogue until we implement the HotS abilities, and it becomes quite different than a Rogue.
Well, there kind of is - the Spellbreaker. Though, only a unit, not a hero.It's about unifying the Elven tribes. There's also no Quel'thalas open class concept available.
According to who? You always bashed them for being the least attractive option.Wardens have always been popular.
That's a good sign. In terms of racial diversity? Gender?At the end of DF Maiev began expanding the limits of the Warden order.
Don't act all innocent. You always found ways to degrade the concept. Shadow dagger is another example, blink also. You even called the Spirit of Vengeance a shadow clone. And now, you suddenly turn upside down for some reason. Realized your mistake or are you trying to take credit for so-called predicting said class?And that's about it.
Round shape vs half round shape. Her reminds me of Xena's weapon.Completely different from the DH Warglaive though.
Nope.
Teriz has repented. He has found the light. You're a changed man (not).
Obviously, they perform different roles. But, even you admitted Blizzard has associated the Warden with the sun and moon.Return to the WC3 and HotS concepts. Again, they're quite different from each other.
Oh that's right, Night Warrior didn't have a WC3 or HotS concept......
The Night Warrior is simply an upgraded version of the PotM. Probably to bridge it and the Warden, with its use of glaives.
You do know both can be true right?
The Warlock class was never meant to be the Demon Hunter in the end. However, while it had metamorphosis, it was effectively the Demon Hunter class in WoW because it had the DH’s signature ability.
Currently Warrior has the Blademaster’s signature ability, and has a hero talent tree based around that ability.
Link me to that conversation. I don’t recall it.No, no. I remember vividly. Even when presented with HotS abilities you called it a Rogue. Fan of Knives, calling the Spirit of Vengeance a shadow clone, etc, etc...
A unit based around abilities that Blizzard banned in MoP.Well, there kind of is - the Spellbreaker. Though, only a unit, not a hero.
And yeah, not a hero.
It depends on how much time we have between DF and Midnight.That's a good sign. In terms of racial diversity? Gender?
I have no idea what you’re talking about, sorry.Don't act all innocent. You always found ways to degrade the concept. Shadow dagger is another example, blink also. You even called the Spirit of Vengeance a shadow clone. And now, you suddenly turn upside down for some reason. Realized your mistake or are you trying to take credit for so-called predicting said class?
Yes, they’re quite different weapons.Round shape vs half round shape. Her reminds me of Xena's weapon.
Uh no. I find this infatuation with such a dead concept….. strange.The Night Warrior is simply an upgraded version of the PotM. Probably to bridge it and the Warden, with its use of glaives.
Based around that ability? Is it called Blademaster?
Anyway, just like Metamorphosis, abilities like these can be taken out at any point and given to a new class.
I do, from arguing with you so much. I'll remind you that i was advocating for the Warden, not you. You tried to sabotage it in any way possible.Link me to that conversation. I don’t recall it.
Banned in MoP?A unit based around abilities that Blizzard banned in MoP.
And yeah, not a hero.
No, not really. They've already decided it. We just have to wait.It depends on how much time we have between DF and Midnight.
Of course you don't. It's like the abusive husband syndrome.I have no idea what you’re talking about, sorry.
I wouldn't say quite different. You slash with them. Maiev's could be cosidered a two handed weapon while the Demon Hunter's a one handed weapon.Yes, they’re quite different weapons.
Dead concept? It was just introduced last expansion. Just because Tyrande gave it up (horrible storytellers. Characters aren't allowed to be angry and vengeful), doesn't mean it is forgotten.Uh no. I find this infatuation with such a dead concept….. strange.
All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.
It’s called Bladestorm.
Abilities that destroy mana and resources.Banned in MoP?
I’m talking about the time from the end of Dragonflight to Midnight. Is that enough time for Maiev’s order to spread to other elf races?No, not really. They've already decided it. We just have to wait.
Circular design? Not dual wielded? used as a throwing disk? etc.I wouldn't say quite different. You slash with them. Maiev's could be cosidered a two handed weapon while the Demon Hunter's a one handed weapon.
Any mention of Night Warrior at all in the current expansion?Dead concept? It was just introduced last expansion. Just because Tyrande gave it up (horrible storytellers. Characters aren't allowed to be angry and vengeful), doesn't mean it is forgotten.
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They're called Slayer, Mountain Thane and Colossus. Nothing Blademaster\samurai about them.
DH had them in Legion.Abilities that destroy mana and resources.
It was literally 5 years between shadowlands and dragonflight. We have an expansion until Midnight.I’m talking about the time from the end of Dragonflight to Midnight. Is that enough time for Maiev’s order to spread to other elf races?
Half crescent vs full crescent.Circular design? Not dual wielded? used as a throwing disk? etc.
Actually, she also attacks in melee.
Why do you need to mention it every expansion?Any mention of Night Warrior at all in the current expansion?
The evoker wasn't mentioned at all.
Having the Blademaster’s signature ability suggests otherwise.
In an effort to give Demon Hunters some gameplay from WC3. It was quickly removed. They’re not going to build an entire spec or class around that.DH had them in Legion.
I’m pretty sure midnight starts right after TWW in the story.It was literally 5 years between shadowlands and dragonflight. We have an expansion until Midnight.
I realize that. But she has abilities like Naisho’s Memento which gives her weapon range and a bounce effect similar to a Huntress’ weapon. Maiev also had containment disc where she threw her glaive and it acted snare.Half crescent vs full crescent.
Actually, she also attacks in melee.
Maiev and the Wardens have appeared in every expansion since Legion.Why do you need to mention it every expansion?
The evoker wasn't mentioned at all.
Just saying…… It gives credence to the notion that the Night Warrior concept is dead.
Wow, exceptionally interesting that you of all people would say something like that.
Considering that you have claimed at least 3 times before the release/reveal of an expansion that blizz would 100% for sure would make the tinker class. You kept that ridiculous claim up even up until the actual launch at least once, claiming that the class was kept hidden for some reason.
Sure, you didn't stay silent when you where proven irrefutably wrong, but denial isn't really worth a damn when everyone knows you're graspong at straws.
Same thing here, you're making baseless claims yet again about something you have no clue about. It's the same old story, teriz making BS claims untill proven wrong, answer with denial, rinse and repeat.
Until you have hard and 100% undeniable evidence, your word is worth nothing. Probe your statement, do it.
'Something's awry.' -Duhgan 'Bel' beltayn
'A Man choses, a Slave obeys.' -Andrew Rayn
While i was in the past more sure that Warden could have been the core of such a class, i think i swap this out to night warrior. It has connections to PotM, Warden, Void Ranger. Throw in the spellbreaker/spellblade come Midnight. And, i really really strongly believe, that whatever class we get in Midnight if it is slightly elven related, but doesn't incorporate spellbreaker in some way it would be a missed opportunity. Besides, the spellbreaker look would look badass in a void version.
Besides, we don't know how the old night warriors we see in shadowlands fought. They could be anything. Khaliiq strikes me as quite like an assassin(warden?), while we know nothing how Thiernax or the Stonewright might have fought.
This leaves the night warrior open to be represented in many ways, not just how Tyrande was.
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Can you provide a source for that Ion quote? First time i hear about it.
Dark Ranger and Void Hunter are nothing alike. It is like comparing Death Knight to Priest, because both can deal shadow damage. We don't even have a clear picture of Allerias powers as a Void Ranger until we see something from TWW.
Every new class is a frankenstein. DK got Lich and Dreadlord and Vampire in it. Monk got besides Brewmaster, a celestial focused side and mist powers. And Evoker are the literal frankestein here, as being experiments combininn draconic and mortal bodies to wield powers of 5 different flight. Not to speak of the frankensteining we see in classic classes.
You're a little confused, but that's not surprising.
First and foremost, all of this is speculation, I have stated that multiple times. That said, the Tinker is an inevitable class, so yes every time an expansion rolls around with a potential class, the Tinker is a strong possibility. In this case we do have Gazlowe being hidden by Blizzard in TWW, and given what happened with Evoker 3rd spec, a mid-expansion class release isn't an impossibility.
Well I was correct about Dark Rangers becoming an appendage to the hunter class, that the next WoW class would be a dragon race/class with visage forms and HotS abilities, about Blizzard considering a support spec, the Evoker 3d spec, and that the next expansion (11.0) would be underground and feature Nerubians and Undermine (that last bit is yet to be confirmed).Sure, you didn't stay silent when you where proven irrefutably wrong, but denial isn't really worth a damn when everyone knows you're graspong at straws.
Same thing here, you're making baseless claims yet again about something you have no clue about. It's the same old story, teriz making BS claims untill proven wrong, answer with denial, rinse and repeat.
But who's counting?
As for my claims being "baseless", the basis of my claims is that the previous 4 classes were all based on WoW heroes, contained WC3 and/or HotS abilities, and related to their release expansion's themes. Which means that the next class will also follow along those lines.
The 100% undeniable evidence is the Death Knight, Monk, Demon Hunter, and Evoker classes. Again, the next class will have the same pedigree as those previous 4 classes.Until you have hard and 100% undeniable evidence, your word is worth nothing. Probe your statement, do it.
Said the Warlock during WotlK all the way to Legion.
Translation: it means nothing.
Spellbreakers are not all about burning mana, but countering magic.In an effort to give Demon Hunters some gameplay from WC3. It was quickly removed. They’re not going to build an entire spec or class around that.
Do you know how long an expansions lasts, lorewise?I’m pretty sure midnight starts right after TWW in the story.
Beside, why does it matter? What does Maiev need to accomplish during this time?
Yes, it's a glaive. Just like DH has glaive toss and Hunters have chakrams.I realize that. But she has abilities like Naisho’s Memento which gives her weapon range and a bounce effect similar to a Huntress’ weapon. Maiev also had containment disc where she threw her glaive and it acted snare.
What? What are you talking about?Maiev and the Wardens have appeared in every expansion since Legion.
Just saying…… It gives credence to the notion that the Night Warrior concept is dead.
Monks didn't appear in every expansion. Neither did DH.
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment..._classes_will/
Thing is, in terms of gameplay Shadow and Void don't play very different from each other. In addition, much of the Void Hunter abilities shown by Alleria were simply enhanced Void Elf racials.Dark Ranger and Void Hunter are nothing alike. It is like comparing Death Knight to Priest, because both can deal shadow damage. We don't even have a clear picture of Allerias powers as a Void Ranger until we see something from TWW.
The difference is those abilities were all pulled from the same general theme; DKs= Necromancy, Monks= Brews/Martial Arts, Evokers = 5 dragonflightsEvery new class is a frankenstein. DK got Lich and Dreadlord and Vampire in it. Monk got besides Brewmaster, a celestial focused side and mist powers. And Evoker are the literal frankestein here, as being experiments combininn draconic and mortal bodies to wield powers of 5 different flight. Not to speak of the frankensteining we see in classic classes.
In this case you're combining a Night Warrior with twin glaives/Celestial abilities, Wardens with whatever, Void powers of Alleria, and the magical hunter abilities of PotM.
That really doesn't work together. Typically Blizzard focuses on one hero to show a cohesion of concept. Within the expansion classes, they don't typically smush 3 heroes together and have each hero occupy a spec. One hero forms the standard and the entire class works off of that singular standard. As always, it would help if you had a single hero you were basing this concept on.
That said, if I’m being fully honest, I’m beginning to doubt we’re getting a class in Midnight. No class is fitting the expansion theme. All of the options brought to the table are too NE centric.
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While I do have a small concern that this is elven-focused, it does makes sense for Midnight. That said, I liked your take on how non-elves could also be this class, via Hero Class starting scenario. You mentioned something like an ambassador of sorts, caught in the chaos and infused/corrupted, but pulled free by Tyrande, Thalyssra, etc. Not only would this be an interesting starting scenario tied to the main story/theme of the expansion, it gets the player directly involved with some of the main characters, both Alliance and Horde, which is always fun. Though instead of being an ambassador, I think it could be more interesting if you were just an assistant or guard for the ambassador, and the ambassador becomes one of the bosses you have to fight. There's something satisfying about defeating your corrupted boss.
Remember, this is the same guy that, if it fit his narrative, would say Shaman and Monks are the same thing because not only can they dual wield fist weapons (and we all know that sharing weapon types is not permissible), they are also healers. I mean, they're totally the same thing, obviously.
No one pretends there is a different between damage types, every one but you just acknowledges that the damage type doesn’t matter at all and blizzard can design the gameplay to be as different as they want.
Hell if you had an honest bone in your body even you would admit that they can jsut make a new damage type called void and they would be enough like you say spellfrost is different then frost.
So what you're saying is that Necromancy is Void Magic. Got it.
And if you want to get technical, there is no gameplay difference between shadow, fire, nature, holy, and spellfrost, but we still have Shaman, Druids, Priests, Mages and Evokers. Why? Because they allow for different themes. And guess what, Cosmic Void is a theme that differs from Shadow, especially when you build an entire class around it.