Holy Pally - Sheath of Light vs. Kings

[evawes1]

So far there has been a bit of discussions and excitement about Sheath of Light vs. Beacon, and whether SoL is worth giving up Beacon for (which you will have to). But my other reaction was a bit of concern at having to give up Blessings of Kings if I want SoL. Is it worth a thought? Kings has been a fairly staple talent for raiding Holy pallies, as it has always given Holy pallies extra utility as a raid buff. Even though SoL might give some awesome healing potential, its just not as overt as Kings as a raid buff and so it may be seen as a negative by raid members, and the MT.

So is it worth it? I say yes, but I just don't know how other players will take it, and whether its actually an issue or not.

[froop]

In the end I guess it depends on your usual group make up. Our raids always run with a Prot Paladin (Myself) and I always have Kings in my build. If that doesn't happen regularly then you may need a one Holy Pally to pick it up.

[Rawberry]

Retribution Paladins will most likely start making a more regular appearance in raids, and they can easily spec for Kings.

[gatri]

well with the new prot tree its not really a waste of a point for a prot pally to have it any more b/c it can be used to get passed the useless tier 4 of the prot tree so it would be safe to let holy pallys spec out of it for raiding

[Monteverdi]

I'm a prot pally, but I do still respec Holy occasionally if the raid needs it (I was Holy up through Kael'thas), and my Holy spec never has Kings, instead going into ret for improved crusader (we don't have a ret pally), pursuit of justice (helps in raids quite a bit, actually), and SoC for fun (also took imp. BoM for raid utility). It wouldn't be out of the question not to spec Kings come WotLK, as long as at least one pally in your raid did).

[froop]

Retribution Paladins will most likely start making a more regular appearance in raids, and they can easily spec for Kings.

You're probably better off having a Holy Pally spec kings over a Ret Pally.

[gatri]

You're probably better off having a Holy Pally spec kings over a Ret Pally.

well for pve a ret pally has more "req" talents in the prot tree then a holy pally

[froop]

well for pve a ret pally has more "req" talents in the prot tree then a holy pally

True. But unless they are planning on dropping Beacon of Light for Sheath of Light they will generally have more free points.

I'd also thing that at least one Beacon Pally in a raid would be handy as well.


Edit: Engrish.

[gatri]

True. But unless they are planning on dropping Beacon of Light for Sheath of Light they have Holy Pallies will generally have more free points.

I'd also thing that at least one Beacon Pally in a raid would be handy as well.

good point i didnt think of that

[Rawberry]

A Holy Paladin has no buisness in the Prot. tree, not when there is a Prot. or Ret. Paladin around.

Five out of ten talent points needed to get to Blessing of Kings will be utterly wasted in either Divine Strength or Anticipation. You could argue that Divine Strength raises their AP, increasing your SP when they have Sheath of Light but a Holy Paladin does not have any STR to begin with.

[froop]

A Holy Paladin has no buisness in the Prot. tree, not when there is a Prot. or Ret. Paladin around.

Five out of ten talent points needed to get to Blessing of Kings will be utterly wasted in either Divine Strength or Anticipation. You could argue that Divine Strength raises their AP, increasing their SP when they have Sheath of Light but a Holy Paladin does not have any STR to begin with.

Holy Pallies aren't going to sink 61 points into Holy. And unless they head into Sheath of Light the Ret Tree is marginally useful at best.

Add to the fact that 5% dodge isn't totally useless if you do the occasional bit PvP and the reduced cooldown is always handy for someone who gets in the wrong place at the wrong time. Or maybe even the reduced stun chance and dispell resistance when your bored and doing a BG.

But I am sure your specs would always be better for everyone no matter their playstyle. :

[Raideen]

http://www.mmo-champion.com/talent/?...00000000000000


this will be the standard pve raid build.

Imp devotion aura gives a 3% heal increase to anyone with in the aura radius that is being healed. There is a good reason for holy to go prot.

[draiana]

Current holy paladins, spec into the Prot tree

41/20/0 is the pretty standard holy build.

With the removal of precision from the Prot tree, Retribution paladins won't be putting more than 5points into prot (divine strength), it'll look a bit nubbish but the spec for Ret in the xpac is looking at 0/5/66.

I know the prot tree is pretty bloated as it is, so no idea on how Prot pally's will go speccing for it, I know when I spec prot atm I don't get kings.

My guess is you'll have a holy paladin with sheath of light & another with Kings, or the prot will give up something to get kings, SoL is too good a talent not to have in the raid depending on how it works exactly and only time will tell.

[Raideen]

http://www.mmo-champion.com/talent/?...00000000000000

hell that is my ret build...

I am a big fan of eye for an eye....I was shockadin on a test server come time back. This boomkin was SHREADING ME..I mean he was ripping me a new asshole left and right (BTW, the boomkin was standard boomkin build on live).

Anyway...he got me with a 6k starfire crit for the last shot, a split second after I went down..so did he.

All I did was heal myself the whole time, and although he killed me...eye for an eye killed him.

[draiana]

This will be roughly the standard RET PVE build in the xpac

http://www.mmo-champion.com/talent/?...00000000000000

missed a talent... still got 3 points left not enough to get kings and really spare points to throw around....

[evawes1]

I agree if there are multiple pallies about it wont be an issue. It looks like tanks wont need it to hold aggro or anything, only as an addition to stam/damage mitigation. I'm also thinking about healing 5-man groups as well, and even 10 mans, where there might only be one pally.

I wont pass judgment entirely yet until I see how all the game mechanics have been changed. S

[alfonso]

http://www.mmo-champion.com/talent/?...00000000000000

this is going to be my healing build which im gonna try until i have some guildies to try out beacon. Conviction talent gives +5% spell crit so with all the good stuff from holy i maybe will be able to get somewhat higher crit and then a 10k rank8HL will get me a 6k HoT. Finaly something i always wanted, a HoT not proactive but procced but still a dot. Looking at the Beacon it looks nice on paper, assuming the max rank will heal ~5k over 15s accounting the bonus healing but im not very sure about the usability due to the range restrictions. Anyway lets see how the fights will look like. Though with the talents they give into game (priests - 61holy talent Guardian spirit, Shaman - 61 heal talent that splits target, and Paladin new Sacrifice) im assuming the tanks will get some real damage so i proly specc for MT healing. For raidhealing there always was, is and will be shamans brainheal.

[Cloudz]

Sure my build (as it looks now) would be something close to this:

http://www.mmo-champion.com/talent/?...00000000000000

That gives you king, imp conc. aura, imp RF and Divine Guardian (seems nice), our prot pally will probably be running the imp devo aura and of course ret pally will run the imp ret aura. Last holy can run imp wisdom or what ever. Imp LoH actually looks like it's worth taking again, bringing it down to a 16 min. cool down.

Last Holy spot could pick something like this, completely ignoring the prot tree:

http://www.mmo-champion.com/talent/?...00000000000000

[Tycho]

This will be my raiding spec:

http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=sxAzgRzhVuMxRtZVf0xh

Our 51 holy is a bit meh at the moment, but I'm sure it'll be sorted out by the time Wrath launches. The haste from judgements is actually a very, very nice thing, so I wouldn't skip it. Tossing the raid crit bonus on the mob is a nice bonus as well. :-)

[daehin]

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/ba...00000000000000


i think this will be my build i guess depending on if we take a ret paladin to raids you can skip or not the judgements talents