Why holy pallies dont need HoT or AoE Heals

[mtdew5309]

For the record I am a holy pally that raids in BT. What i think blizzard needs to do is not give us a AoE/HoT heal but improve the way we currently heal. They should improve the tools that we have that others dont to make it so people want to bring us.

We also now have Bacon of light.

Theres lots of ways of doing this.

Make it so purify also heals.

If you bubble someone it heals the target for X-X.

Decrease casting times of FoL to 1 sec and no global CD.

Take the instance FoL everytime you crit you get a crit heal form the ret tree and give something like that to holy.

Everytime you crit gives back x mana/rage/etc to targeted player. So now we have the chance of helping more then just healing.

I used to say we need AoE or HoT heals but then i should just roll a shaman/priest or druid. Now i just think they should make it so our type of healing is wanted.

Im sure alot will disagree with me and that's fine.

[Hokuto]

We also now have Bacon of light.

I'm here to pop your bubble: it sucks.

Your beacon target will be healed by the amount of EFFECTIVE heal your target got healed, overhealing won't count. Therefore, if you rely on that to raid-heal while spamming heals on the tank, he's dying faster than you can notice.

[Dannath]

Also, beacon isn't that fun, aoe hots are.

[Hylig]

For the record I am a holy pally that raids in BT.

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Make it so purify also heals.

I registered here just to call shenanigans. If you were really a holy pally in BT (or probably ANY class in BT) you would know that pallies stop using Purify around level 30, when it is changed to CLEANSE, and no one who's been playing this game for more than a month ever said "Purify that poison."

If you're going to pretend to be something you're not, at least do some research so you will at least SOUND like you know what you're doing.

[Lepa]

If you want to *top* the healing meters then roll a frikin shaman and spam *Brain heal* all the time, on every boss, on every trash pack....(you can safely remove all your other healing spells except a NS macro, you wont need em)

Personally i find Main tank healing much more interesting.

We always had a highest single target output and still have...

My main concern is mana tho. Sure the first few raid zones will be a boring flash spam but the higher ones will most likely need Holy light spamage(and max rank HL is so fucking expensive mana wise).
Divine plea was added to cover it, but 50% less healing for ?10sec+( they are increasing the duration) might make it very situation depending on encounter design(as in you ll have to call for cover while you *regen*)

Still gona suck against heavy cc(warlock-druid lol) in 2v2/3v3 but much less then before

[Ordius]

I want a Bacon of Light

[meroko]

I'm here to pop your bubble: it sucks.

Your beacon target will be healed by the amount of EFFECTIVE heal your target got healed, overhealing won't count. Therefore, if you rely on that to raid-heal while spamming heals on the tank, he's dying faster than you can notice.

actually no this no longer is the case. It's been working correctly for a few builds now. Doesn't matter if you heal the target for +0 if the other target needs a heal, he will get that amount you overhealed to your original target =)

[mtdew5309]

I registered here just to call shenanigans. If you were really a holy pally in BT (or probably ANY class in BT) you would know that pallies stop using Purify around level 30, when it is changed to CLEANSE, and no one who's been playing this game for more than a month ever said "Purify that poison."

If you're going to pretend to be something you're not, at least do some research so you will at least SOUND like you know what you're doing.

You are right about cleanse. By the way my toons name is dietdew lvl 70 dwarf pally on azgalor with over 2100 plus healing. I was at work and in a hurry when i was typing this up.

Also i have healed MGT as a holy pally which does suck to do, but i have done it. Heroic on the other hand i dont do at all. I do understand AoE heals or HoT are needed to do it.

I agree with Lepa if you want number one roll something else. I myself dont care if i am number one healer as long as i do my job which i have been doing. I still think if you give pallys a HoT or a AoE heal that competes with other clases they will then say holy pallies need to be nerfed.

As to mana i tend to be just fine doing spam FoL. HS and CLEANSE. I might use one mana pot per boss fight.

I still say people need to stop asking for AoE or HoT heals for pallies because its not going to happen. So instead ask them to make our current skills more raid friendly.

[Dalle2000]

But not all pallies r PvE focus'ed, and the CC is crazzy in arena, so when u cant cast healz u need those HoT's up and running.. thats one of the reasons druids and priests r so popular :-[

[Sulika]

I like beacon. It is an interesting spell and requires some finesse to use. The biggest criticism most paladins make is that if you use it badly it sucks. Well, duh, you shouldn't be rewarded for making mistakes.

I like how holy shock is shaping up now. I like the holy tree in general. It seems we have been moved from simple spam healing to a situation where you actually may have to consider options before you cast which is an incredibly positive change. Having Blessing of Light rolled into our base healed amount is a huge boost if you don't bring 4 paladins to raid. For PvE the class seems to be shaping up pretty well overall.

In PvP I do have some serious worries however. On the one hand the new holy shock mechanic should make surviving a bit easier, on the other hand the fact that there is no more rank 1 consecration to flush out rogues and the very long cooldown on Hand of Sacrifice makes me believe it will become ridiculously easy to CC a paladin being left very vulnerable to sap-blind openers and pretty much any CC. This removal of low rank aoe spells is going to make it so easy to sap a healer at the start of an arena that it will be pretty much a given that any healer will have to blow their trinket to remove sap.

The amount of bubble killer abilities is also rather troubling, though it may well not be an issue with the much better holy shock + holy light synergies.

[Scarzi]

thats what glyphs are for.....

FoL you can turn into a weaker direct heal + hot

and your Holy light heals 5 people with 5 yards for 10% of amount healed which is used for those stacking fights. So whats the problem?

Paladins will always be MT heals, get over it or reroll.

[Zethyr]

Ehm...you can heal Heroic MgT just fine as a pally, even below 2k bonus healing. It can also be somewhat trivialized if you bring a good shadow priest along. I did that once, and hardly had to heal at all during Kael's air phase. :

[Bainz]

We also now have Bacon of light.

Mmmm Bacoonn

[caketown]

Go Sunwell before you make judments on how good you are at raid lvl. Until then you know absolutly nothing about the future versions of 5man, 10 man or 25 man content. Then you will hopefully get the point that Blizzard is not making content so that our type of healing is wanted.

There are blue posts verifying that holy paladins got the shaft in sunwell. Also, I fail to see what the importance is of being in sunwell before you are allowed to understand your class. By BT he should have an understanding of how to heal and what he would personally like to see change about his/her class.

[Mur.]

I dont give a damn if you raided in Sargeras' Arsehole.

Where's all the 2500 rated paladins saying we're fine. Oh wait, there aren't any 2500 rated paladins because our entire class is beaten just by pressing a silence.

I dont want hots, I dont want aoe. I want a defensive move that actually helps us to resist damage. Relying on holy shock crits, even with divine favour is LAME. Luck based content has been removed from a lot of the game, but atm I'm deeply concerned holy paladin in arena is basically only going to succeed if he crits every 3 holy shocks.

Make judgements of the pure give us immunity to silence for 3 seconds. And how about something like while avenging Wrath is active, your spells cannot be dispelled as a deep holy talent. It's time that the purge/dispelmagic/spellsteal spammers actually had to use some skill to dispel us, not just luck.

How about give us a way of dealing with mana burn, other than running away humping a pillar. We're fucking paladins we're not supposed to be mobile. We should just stand there and have a damn spell that if we're good enough to use can let us DEAL with mana burn.

It's called pee vee pee. I dont care if we're no.4 in raiding healspots, we're guaranteed a spot just for blessings alone, and I only raid to just witness the dungeons anyway.

[Karpalo]

Decrease casting times of FoL to 1 sec and no global CD.

Some valid points but this one just looks like stupid.

[Sulika]

How about changing Blessed Life to "Reduce damage taken while your holy spells are silenced by 10/20/30%"

[Dahren]

We need a PoM: no AoE, no HoT... just a spell that is reactive to damage and affects multiple targets, not even at the same time. The Beacon change is nice but it would have been better to give it like 70% of our healing done BUT that we have PoM and that the PoM heals also counts. In this way we get a bit tuned down in our single target healing but we react better to dmg spikes overall.

[Simqn]

Thought i'd add my two cents to this thread seeing as ive been a holly pally for a long long time and yes my guild is presently trying to kill Illidan (damn you phase two :) so admitadly i have no experience of so called 'top end' content.

In short i really really like a lot of the changes they have made, mainly becuase i dont have to spend 5 hours an evening staring at 25 boxes pressing two buttons. The judjement change with haste and the increased usability of HS are both things which will add new dimensions to our healing.

In PVE 25 man i'm happy not to have an AoE too but i will say that some 5-mans are completely imbalanced for us making our lives almost impossible sometimes in herioc MGT unless you have a really nice team. I hope blizzard make heroic 5 mans in WOLK not too dependant on AoE healing or we are going to struggle.

I agree that our 51 point holy talent maybe needs some more work but the main thing which worries me is that in PVP we are still very much the 'poor cousin' who you use if no one else is there. This definitly needs addressing.

[artan]

Man i love bacon!