Arena spec for ret- is missing Righteous Vengeance acceptable?

[ruminite436]

I'm trying to make an arena spec for ret but there's too much goodness in prot and too many must-haves in ret that i end up having to give up something big....

this is what i got so far
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=sZacbVfZVfztbfufMsgzho
any insight or opinions or seeing what spec you're planning for pvp would be nice

[Fushu]

I'm certainly no expert when it comes to arena but one things seems odd about your build.

You picked "Seal of the Wise" over "Swift Retribution", I might be off but I doubt SotW is that useful in arena, but then again I might be wrong.

You mean Judgements of the Wise? That is a must have in all aspects of ret.

[Fushu]

this is what i got so far
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=sZacbVfZVfztbfufMsgzho
any insight or opinions or seeing what spec you're planning for pvp would be nice

As for this spec, there are a lot of problems with it. You wont be running Kings, you'll be running Might and the extra 15% str is insane so switch that. I guess its up to you whether or not you want to run with Fanaticism or with Righteous Vengeance..

This is what I'll be running:
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=sZ0ebVfZVfMtrfzfMsMzAo

[Lepa]

^^ You will oom within a minute if you don't take it, even faster if you get mana burned.

And as always a oom paladin is totally useless

[blupp74]

Yes that's what I meant, and please elaborate why it's a must?

The paladin certainly doesn't need it for himself, I've played on the PTR and found that mana efficiency was good enough not to take it.

...you didn't have judgments of the wise....which returns 20% of your total mana everytime you judge...and you didn't have mana problems? As far as I know (and from what I've played on the PTR), Judgments of the Wise IS the reason there are no mana problems. Take that away, and you'd have to use Seal of Wisdom as your main seal.

[Rutix]

Oh, didn't notice the 20% guess it is a must then.

You play on PTR which still has int on gear so thats why you dont go oom that fast. But on lvl 80 (which this spec is for) you will probably have no int at all which means low mana pool which means no JotW = mana in <2 minutes

[Mysmere]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...00000000000000

mine, divine guardian might save a few thousand total at best.

until i see some math on rv, i'm not going to take points out of anything else. from what i see, its a 25% out of your crit chance increase in dps for divine storm/judge.
or 25%x1.2 if you have art of war too. 30%.

if crit is 33%
.25x33=8.25%. so 8.25% increase in dps for those 2 abilities.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=17331.0

basutai is most likely correct in this one for the multipliers at least.

[Rakai]

I'll use the same specc as Mysmere but the 2 points from RV will go into fana.
Divine guardian may be good but more Judgement crits=more instant heals =)

[b37x]

Acolyyte, very solid spec. Might I just recommend that you take two points out of RV and put them into Divine Purpose. Being able to free yourself or your partner from a cheap or kidney shot every 25 sec brings more benefit in a 2v2.

And the last point in RV you should put in Crusade. 5% more damage on two abilities (if they crit) Vs. 2% more damage from everything.