Paladin Gear, why no intellect?

[Lilscrappy]

So why doesn't ret paladin gear have intellect? We still have a mana bar when we spec ret and every other class that has a mana bar has intellect on their gear. I know theres a reason behind it, but I never really read it because I didn't plan on playing my paladin.

[DeathbahamutXXX]

laziness mainly - Blizzard didnt want a bunch of "flavors" of gear. They basically wanted dps warriors/dk/ret to go after the same gear and prot warrior/paly/dk to go after the same gear as well

[Snapshot084]

*shrug* I think the party line is that Blizzard is trying to homogenize gear, so that Ret paladins aren't waiting around for weeks on end for something Ret specific to drop.

In practice, who knows? If I remember correctly, the Ret tiered stuff doesn't even have Int, so the Retribution mana pool will ALWAYS be low, and so they'll have to be the only mana using class who uses their gem sockets for INT, as opposed to AP or strength or whatever it is that Ret pallies use to hit stuff harder (I'm Holy, btw).

[Jiai]

Well, that's exactly why JotW give a large (15% after the nerf, was 33%) amount of your base mana everytime you use your jugement. I don't expect to socket for INT, since most of my regen is not based on my final mana pool. Maybe mp5 if I REALLY have too.

[sillverhair]

fuck no lol, like hell im gonna gem/enchant intellect, thats a huge dps nerf... ill just gather better gear..

[yiptastic]

*shrug* I think the party line is that Blizzard is trying to homogenize gear, so that Ret paladins aren't waiting around for weeks on end for something Ret specific to drop.

In practice, who knows? If I remember correctly, the Ret tiered stuff doesn't even have Int, so the Retribution mana pool will ALWAYS be low, and so they'll have to be the only mana using class who uses their gem sockets for INT, as opposed to AP or strength or whatever it is that Ret pallies use to hit stuff harder (I'm Holy, btw).

gemming int is a waste of slot. gemming strength is better. why?

learn to not spam consecrate every 8 sec?

math tells me you can sustain CS, divine storm and judgement without seeing a dip in your mana. (that's excluding raid buffs). So even then theoretically you can throw in consecration and occasional sacred shield + FoL.

GC's post verbally confirmed by basic math results. (excluding being healed as well)

there's no point having more int. really, stack more damage stats.

[kodynn2001]

the reason alot of WotLK plate gear doesn't have INT is because they thought they solved the whole Retoom problem with Judgement of the Wise. Heh...

[b37x]

There was a time when people would form raids and go kill bosses like Onyxia. And what would Onyxia drop? Two hunter helms. And the next week what would drop? Two hunter helms. It was frustrating and lame and that's why bosses now drop cross-class tokens.

But players were still plagued with a similar problem. Anetheron kept dropping Glimmering Steel Mantle, but Rage Winterchill wasn't giving up the Blood-stained Pauldrons. Blizzards solution is cross-class gear. Think of dps plate shoulders as having "Classes: Deathknight, Paladin, Warrior". So no matter what gear drops, you have a better chance that someone in the raid wants it.

So the answer to "Paladin Gear, why no intellect?" is that Deathknights and Warriors don't have mana.

[Tanyn]

If you were pretty serious about your ret paladin before the patch, you still didnt have much int gear. If you went for straight overall benefit the warrior gear was better and therefor still gave no int. So, this isnt really much of a change. Aside from early tier sets and pvp gear, int wasnt on the best gear.

[davep]

Basically what I see from this is Holy Pallys get screwed because they are the only Plate healers in the game and Resto Druid and Shamans get screwed because they are the only Leather and Mail healers in the game and Balance Druids get screwed becasue they are the only Spell Power dps leather wearers in the game.

Now they just need to make a AP->Spellpower conversion for Holy Pallys, Resto Druids, Resto Shamans, and Balance Druids and everyone should be able to share gear equally.

[Itsuka]

It did solve the problem, until the wow community did what it does best, cry until they get what they want.

People weren't whining about JotW. That was an initiative taken by Blizzard.

[b37x]

Now they just need to make a AP->Spellpower conversion for Holy Pallys, Resto Druids, Resto Shamans, and Balance Druids and everyone should be able to share gear equally.

Ret paladins have Sheath of Light that turns AP into SP. Prot paladins have Touched by the Light which turns Stam into SP. Holy paladins have Holy Guidance that turns Int into SP.

So Holy already has one talent that turns <beneficial stat> into SP. I don't see why Holy would need another. And especially not a talent based on AP, since holy gear has none.

[Phr057]

gemming int is a waste of slot. gemming strength is better. why?

learn to not spam consecrate every 8 sec?

math tells me you can sustain CS, divine storm and judgement without seeing a dip in your mana. (that's excluding raid buffs). So even then theoretically you can throw in consecration and occasional sacred shield + FoL.

GC's post verbally confirmed by basic math results. (excluding being healed as well)

there's no point having more int. really, stack more damage stats.

Your math is just taking what Devs had said. If you actually did the math you would see that Divine Storm cannot actually be properly implimented into a long term rotation without a DPS loss. For it to be properly worked in you would have to skip DS every other, other time and mentally timing that would be taxing.

[Tra]

It did solve the problem, until the wow community did what it does best, cry until they get what they want.

QQ?

[joyu]

socketing int gems just increase the mana pool and when you spend that mana become useless

Basically what I see from this is Holy Pallys get screwed because they are the only Plate healers in the game and Resto Druid and Shamans get screwed because they are the only Leather and Mail healers in the game and Balance Druids get screwed becasue they are the only Spell Power dps leather wearers in the game.

Now they just need to make a AP->Spellpower conversion for Holy Pallys, Resto Druids, Resto Shamans, and Balance Druids and everyone should be able to share gear equally.

whut?
holy pallys can use plate, mail, leather and cloth spellpower items
elemental and resto shamans can use mail leather and cloth spellpower items
resto and balance druids can use leather an cloth items
why they have to use ap gear?with no int no mp5 no spi and no spellpower?

[DruidFTW]

For it to be properly worked in you would have to skip DS every other, other time and mentally timing that would be taxing.

lol

God forbin a class has to think about playing and not autoattack their way to phat lewtz.

I for one, welcome the new changes, and look forward to a more interesting playstyle on my pally.

[davep]

lol

God forbin a class has to think about playing and not autoattack their way to phat lewtz.

I for one, welcome the new changes, and look forward to a more interesting playstyle on my pally.

are we talking about ret pallys or rogues now?

[Nibblez]

Ret paladins have Sheath of Light that turns AP into SP. Prot paladins have Touched by the Light which turns Stam into SP. Holy paladins have Holy Guidance that turns Int into SP.

So Holy already has one talent that turns <beneficial stat> into SP. I don't see why Holy would need another. And especially not a talent based on AP, since holy gear has none.

and resto druids get spellpower from spirit
and enh shamans get AP from int

[Thaddeus]

Ok...rather than calling you names or blaming other classes/Blizzard. I will explain this in a very calm and friendly manner.

All loot has an item lvl on it. The number determines how much stat points an item gets. Lets say its ilvl 100 (numbers not exact but to prove a point) it will have +50 stam if it has 1 stat, 2 stats maybe +30 stam and +17 Str, 3 stats +20 stam +15 str +10 Agi. Point being, the more stats added onto a single piece of gear, the more you lose. +Int is not a valued stat for a physical dps class...so it does not need to be on gear. There are other ways of getting these classes (hunter, shaman, pally as far as physical dps mana users) mana back. Primary source being talents...Blizz may also factor in raid buffs for some things...but talents is most likely.

In the end, You benefit more by having dps stats and not mana stats on gear.

[Nibblez]

You would lose much more dps by gemming int instead of str than you would if you gemmed properly and skipped using a spell like lolconsecrate anyways.