21 int vs. 2% int for holy pallys

[Hellsieg]

greetings my fellow holy pallys i have a question about two meta gems: 25sp 2% int, versus 21 int chance for mana regen on cast. now as it stands i have the 25sp 2% int gem in my helm, my reasoning is that the 2% int gives me more int then the 21 int gem(i have 1100 int meaning that 2% = 22 int yay 1 int!) and that for me 25sp is better then chance for mana regen since the last time i was oom was during BC =p
my stats are as follows:
2002 sp
39.05% holy crit (with talents)
399 haste
158 casting MP5
id link armory but my gear gets changed a lot cuz of outfitter =P and i currently have access to all dungeons and am still needing some upgrades. =)

so as holy pallys what do yall use and why?

[kuuyiu]

Pretty sure if you take Divine Intellect, the 21 int you get from Insightful Earthsiege Diamond actually is 24 int. So you would need 1250 intelect to make it better (IE give more intelect).

[Hellsieg]

shouldnt it also effect the ember skyflare since its "you total intellect" so it gives you 15% after increase? though i hadnt thought about that, thank you for pointing it out =)

[Xs]

the Insightful's proc far outweighs the spell power on Ember, the int is similar at high gear levels

The proc means you can use divine plea less which means more healing anyway

[Crispybacon]

The proc means you can use divine plea less which means more healing anyway

...Why would you use Divine Plea less?

[cyborg99]

...Why would you use Divine Plea less?

He means you don't have to use it as often, meaning you don't need to put a -20% healing debuff on your heals as often

[Ufalah]

Play style choice imo. Currently mana doesn't seem to be too big of an issue for holy paladins. If in Uludar or somewhere you start running out of mana then maybe the insightful proc will prove to be far superior but I wouldn't count on it.

[Firecrest]

http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t35975-h...n_guide_wotlk/


WotLK added a lot of new options for meta gems to choose from. For all the comparisons I am using 1400 Int and 25114 mana as a base, approximately mostly epic gear that is favoring Int. I also assume a 6 min fight, 4 Divine Pleas, and 90% Replenishment uptime.

[Insightful Earthsiege Diamond] (5% chance to restore 600 mana with a 15 second ICD)
26.6 Intellect (After Kings/Divine Intellect)
399 mana at start.
399 mana from Divine Plea.
323 mana from Replenishment.
48 mana from Arcane Torrent, if you are a Blood Elf.
5.3 spell power.
0.156% crit.
4800 mana from proc. With ICD an average of 45 seconds per proc.
Total: 5921 mana (+48 if Blood Elf), 5.3 spell power, 0.156% crit.


[Ember Skyflare Diamond]
28 Intellect
420 mana at start.
420 mana from Divine Plea.
340 mana from Replenishment.
50 mana from Arcane Torrent, if you are a Blood Elf.
30.6 spell power.
0.168% crit.
Total: 1180 mana (+50 if Blood Elf), 30.6 spell power, 0.168% crit.

[Whoopzz]

http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t35975-h...n_guide_wotlk/


WotLK added a lot of new options for meta gems to choose from. For all the comparisons I am using 1400 Int and 25114 mana as a base, approximately mostly epic gear that is favoring Int. I also assume a 6 min fight, 4 Divine Pleas, and 90% Replenishment uptime.

[Insightful Earthsiege Diamond] (5% chance to restore 600 mana with a 15 second ICD)
26.6 Intellect (After Kings/Divine Intellect)
399 mana at start.
399 mana from Divine Plea.
323 mana from Replenishment.
48 mana from Arcane Torrent, if you are a Blood Elf.
5.3 spell power.
0.156% crit.
4800 mana from proc. With ICD an average of 45 seconds per proc.
Total: 5921 mana (+48 if Blood Elf), 5.3 spell power, 0.156% crit.


[Ember Skyflare Diamond]
28 Intellect
420 mana at start.
420 mana from Divine Plea.
340 mana from Replenishment.
50 mana from Arcane Torrent, if you are a Blood Elf.
30.6 spell power.
0.168% crit.
Total: 1180 mana (+50 if Blood Elf), 30.6 spell power, 0.168% crit.

Great post.

[Firecrest]

Play style choice imo. Currently mana doesn't seem to be too big of an issue for holy paladins. If in Uludar or somewhere you start running out of mana then maybe the insightful proc will prove to be far superior but I wouldn't count on it.

Insightful blows Ember out of the water in every regard save spellpower. But there it only provides about a 25 spellpower boost. Not at all worth it.

[Sartecho]

Blizz has publicly stated that they're unhappy with how rarely healers are running out of mana in Naxx. They say that mana is a resource and that you should be forced to make hard decisions in managing that resource. Of course, no one is really having to make those decisions at this point. If they follow through on their intentions, you can expect your mana pool to be more stressed in Ulduar.

[Evereghalo]

So in conclusion,

keep 2 healing helms,

use the skyflair diamon in a helm for short fights that need high heals,

use the ember diamond on long fights with spalsh damage and minimal tank damage.


Just be smart, you will eventually get a new epic helm, just keep it. have both.

solves problems.

[shono99]

Play style choice imo. Currently mana doesn't seem to be too big of an issue for holy paladins. If in Uludar or somewhere you start running out of mana then maybe the insightful proc will prove to be far superior but I wouldn't count on it.

+Mana on spellcasting is huge. You have no idea how nice procs are to have.

The only other gem I would consider using is the one that causes your critical heals to heal 3% more. Even though it's only 300-500 points, if you don't have mana issues, and have a lot of crit, it's nice to have.