Strangulate - Needs to Block Mages/Pally from using IceBlock and DivineShield

[skaarrj]

If there's any class that strangulate needs to be used on the most, it's those 2 classes. For this ability to remain a 2 minute cool-down in my eyes, it should lock them out of using these abilities. Currently it does not.

Diminishing returns will be inplace for silences next patch (I think, or it might be the one after that). And this ability is on a 120 second cooldown, 1 bood rune, and silences an enemy for only 5 seconds at a 30 yard (glyphed 50 yard) range? I think that is less than mediocre. If there is any class that Strangulate needs to effect the most, it's Paladins and Mages.

What we really want strangulate to do is reward us with great use of Strangulate when detecting preemptively who will be trying to cast their escape move spells.

While any class is silenced, they should not be able to cast any spell, or use any cool-down spell related move. This extend to any class.

And what's with the 180 shadow damage? That's useless.

[Soresu]

Sorry, I've been inactive in-game for a while now - does *anything* stop Paladins/Mages using their get out of jail free cards? I don't remember there being, so why should Strangulate?

[Enillor]

and so it start Dk's bitching about not being OP enough.

here is soe advice...suck it the fuck up, pallies and mages have always been able to do this and blizzard isnt going to change it for a few Dk's who are bitching and moaning because they fail at playing the class they picked.

reroll, uninstall or just STFU

[eclipse212]

Sorry, I've been inactive in-game for a while now - does *anything* stop Paladins/Mages using their get out of jail free cards? I don't remember there being, so why should Strangulate?

locking the holy school with kick or counterspell works vs. divine shield, I guess locking frost works vs. mages.

[Lennast]

and so it start Dk's bitching about not being OP enough.

here is soe advice...suck it the fuck up, pallies and mages have always been able to do this and blizzard isnt going to change it for a few Dk's who are bitching and moaning because they fail at playing the class they picked.

reroll, uninstall or just STFU

I agree with this poster, but think that he's an ass for generalizing the entire DK class as is.

You need to quit bitching, you're giving our class a bad name. We're OP, but we need a few classes that can act as equilizers. I can't survive more than a half a minute with an arcane mage, and I accept that, because I was an underpowered mage till they came along. In short, suck it the fuck up and QQ MOAR EMO.

[Gwa]

err...strangulate does block bubble and ice block....it always has.
...dps em to 50%, pop strangulate, use all CDs and theyre dead before it ends. Win!

[Kekezor]

OP sux
no constructive feedback for u!

[c0nscript]

Being a DK myself I mean it sucks that they can bubble and IceBlock from it but meh, I think it's fine.

On the bright side you used a 2 minute cooldown to make them pop a 5 minute cooldown, good trade off I think.

[rosyla]

why not just make things easier and amke the "I Win" talent for dk's. youre already ridiculously OP. if you cant kill a mage youre horrible and should probably quit.

[Tilleo]

err...strangulate does block bubble and ice block....it always has.
...dps em to 50%, pop strangulate, use all CDs and theyre dead before it ends. Win!

This man is the Bringer of truth

[Tilleo]

every silence does, interrupts do not.

[Deleted]

I have posted this before and I will obviously have to post it again: nothing, I repeat nothing can prevent a pally from bubbling or a mage from ice block, nothing. No interrupt effects, nothing,

I have a mage and pally so I know it for a fact.

Strange how forum myths seem to live on forever despite debunks.

[Ufalah]

If you strangulate a Paladin while he is CASTING then it will lock out bubble for the duration of the silence. If he isn't casting then bubble will still be an option.

If you strangulate a Mage while he is CASTING A FROST SPELL then it will lock out ice block for the duration of the silence. If he isn't casting a FROST SPELL then ice block will still be an option.

I believe this is how it works. Though, in all fairness, I could be 100% wrong haha.

[Deleted]

If you strangulate a Paladin while he is CASTING then it will lock out bubble for the duration of the silence. If he isn't casting then bubble will still be an option.

If you strangulate a Mage while he is CASTING A FROST SPELL then it will lock out ice block for the duration of the silence. If he isn't casting a FROST SPELL then ice block will still be an option.

I believe this is how it works. Though, in all fairness, I could be 100% wrong haha.

No, no and no. It never has and it doesn't. Don't believe me? Duel a pally and try it yourself.

[soaps]

If there's any class that strangulate needs to be used on the most, it's those 2 classes. For this ability to remain a 2 minute cool-down in my eyes, it should lock them out of using these abilities. Currently it does not.

Diminishing returns will be inplace for silences next patch (I think, or it might be the one after that). And this ability is on a 120 second cooldown, 1 bood rune, and silences an enemy for only 5 seconds at a 30 yard (glyphed 50 yard) range? I think that is less than mediocre. If there is any class that Strangulate needs to effect the most, it's Paladins and Mages.

What we really want strangulate to do is reward us with great use of Strangulate when detecting preemptively who will be trying to cast their escape move spells.

While any class is silenced, they should not be able to cast any spell, or use any cool-down spell related move. This extend to any class.

And what's with the 180 shadow damage? That's useless.

Butthurtz about a way OP class. Why not take a pallies Divine Shield away from them, and give it to DK's rename it "Dark Blood Shield" or some crazy shit like that. Oh, give it a return damage effect equal to the damage that would have been caused, and while we are at it, make it heal the DK for 200% attackers dmg.

Honestly though dude, think before you talk. Pally bubble is getting nerfed (l2read patch notes, WIN)

Mages cant do anything while Iceblocked (sorry you dont have faster reflexes then some mages and couldnt kill them, omg you have to wait 8 seconds till it drops and they either blink or attack you, at which point you DeathGrip after the blink, or during the attack, and if your quick (obviously your not) you can even interrupt their instant cast)

Also think about what you have that makes you good:

Strangulate
Chains of Ice
Death Grip
A pet with a Stun, AND a charge type skill..
Mind Freeze
Desecration
Anti-Magic Shell
Anti-Magic Zone
You Reanimate as a Zombie with pretty much the same amount of health you have with slightly less dmg for 45 seconds INSTANTLY after you die, not to mention you come back with FULL HEALTH (omguh what rezzer can do that)
Garoyle (flies and usually goes un-noticed by most people)
You can raise your allies as Zombies (omg cooldown QQ)
Death Pact (sac your minion for 20% health, if your gud, 2500 health, omguh resummon minion right after)

So it looks like the only thing your really missing here is a Stun (Non Pet)
And a reduced healing effect (Mortal Strike) honestly i wouldn't be surprised if Blizz tacked that onto Obliterate or Scourge Strike.

Again bro, sorry you couldn't kill a mage or pally before they could spam their 5 min CD button, imo bandage, sac minion, resummon (this will take about the time of their 8-12 second invulnerability) and go at them when it wears off. And if its a Pally, you should be able to run just as fast as they can, run away. 25k health (if your gud) is hard to chop off in 12 seconds, even for Ret pallies, shift to frost presense, and hike it out.

[Abandon]

Ok, far too many people know far too little about how this actually works.

SILENCE: A silence is a magical effect that does not allow the player to cast spells/use shouts.

Iceblock and Divine Shield CAN be used while silenced.

INTERRUPT: Interrupts a spell being cast and puts a cooldown on that spell school.

Iceblock and Divine Shield CAN NOT be used while the cooldown/lockout is in effect.

[Msor88]

Iceblock 2 Min CD, Strangulate 8 Min CD.

Oh heck, why do I even bother. Your a death knight and probably retarded.

[Abandon]

Iceblock 2 Min CD, Strangulate 8 Min CD.

Oh heck, why do I even bother. Your a death knight and probably retarded.

Hehe, you got those mixed up. And Iceblock is a 5 minute cooldown, less if you take Ice Flows.

And I think it is completely fine that you can bubble/iceblock through silence.

[Msor88]

I did intend to put the the wrong way round to try and illustrate what would be OP. ... but urm, yes. I did get the CD time on IceBlock wrong :-\

[Ufalah]

No, no and no. It never has and it doesn't. Don't believe me? Duel a pally and try it yourself.

Uhh I was a paladin and I know that at least in TBC if a mage hit me with CS while I was casting I could not bubble. Perhaps they have changed it yes? I stopped playing before WotLK.