I just can't kill him... Help me kill him...

[Vertue]

Who? Anub'arak... Who? Last boss in H. AN. Ok first let me tell you a little story. We went to H. AN yesterday for the heroic daily. It was me, Paladin (tank), Rogue, Hunter, Mage and Priest (healer). Cleared first trash, cleared second trash... Boss trash...

Wipe...
Wipe...
Wipe...
Wipe...

Well you get the point, total? 9 wipes. The healer, the priest almost had a heart attack and left. Everyone blamed me, I tried to explain the skirmishers reset aggro and there is very little I can do about it. I concencrate, I shield bash, I single taunt, I three target taunt, I put up HS, not to mention judgements. He walks right pass me like I am a dps, he goes straight for priest, rogue tried stuns, I try stuns, alas... priest = dead. Two hits she dies... We start over. We tried tanking from different places, we did everything, I can't hold them and healer can't take the damage. What else could I have done? Is there some special strategy when it comes to Paladin tanking that I am missing? My rotation for skirmishers:

AW -> AS -> Consencration -> HS -> (by this time he is in front of me so -> Judgement -> Taunt -> Shield Bash -> Taunt -> he's gone for priest...

Ok so after the priest decided she didn't want to die young from a heart attack, she left. I decided to make up by respeccing and healing it for the group. We got a DK tank and I went holy. We walked right through the first boss on first try. Second boss? One shotted him; Third boss... 7 wipes after we broke up. There is my main problem, this is not the first time I am wiping at third boss in H. AN. I should say somehow, in a PUG somehow at least one dps dies in the very first Pound regardless how many times you warn them about it. Today by the third Pound, two DPS was always down. I usually have the DK tank, Hunter and I left. Now I pride myself in finishing heroics regardless the odds. I healed the three for about 5 - 8 minutes (went oom once, luckily had one pot on me that I poped at last try). So the thing is, is there any pointers you can give me as prot or healer specifically for H. AN. Like is there anything I am missing?

My gear as prot is:
28k HP and 536 Def (Edited: Previously said 436 Def which was a typo)

My gear as Holy is:
1700 SP and 17k Mana.

Help... I hate wiping...

[Clame]

My gear as prot is:
28k HP and 436 Def

Ur not even defcapped for TBC(490)... WLK defcap is 540 afaik. Get something near 540 before u start QQing about it on forums dude.

[Loriden]

Ur not even defcapped for TBC(490)... WLK defcap is 540 afaik. Get something near 540 before u start QQing about it on forums dude.

He's more than def capped fro heroics.



As to you priest, they do have a spell called fade. They would've used that. As to your threat issues, hand of reckoning, JoL or a AS should've got you agro easily.

[spitfire668]

He's more than def capped fro heroics.



As to you priest, they do have a spell called fade. They would've used that. As to your threat issues, hand of reckoning, JoL or a AS should've got you agro easily.

Heroic cap is 535...

But alas, Strat i use for skirmishers is mark them to be taken down first, at about 50% hp stun them. They are immune to taunt, so it is a waste of a GCD. If anyone else can stun, make them do it too. I have yet to have Healer die from one of them since I found out they reset aggro.

As for the last boss, I have noticed ALOT that he glitches like crazy on heroic. When he pops out of the ground, if he is not facing your tank and is casting his pound. He will cast it where the tank is standing, not where he is facing. Also, as a tank you can walk right threw him and avoid the pound all together.

Thing that wipes my group is lack of AoE dps on the poison adds that spawn. But as a palli tank I just concentrate on getting rid of the poison and drop one or 2 consecrations and a hammer of righteous to keep hate.

[Natoth]

He's more than def capped fro heroics.

What the fuck ur talking aboout? Def cap for hc dundeon is 535, for raids 540... So WFT? 400 defence u have without any +def gear...

[Inverse]

If you are talking about the trash right before the first boss, then you have to kill the skirmishers first always.
You cant tank them once they choose there target. Dps must either, burn them down before he burns someone in your group down. And i believe they are stunable.

Either way, your gear is fine, assuming you mis typed, and meant 534 Def. I was about 510-520ish def and like 21k hp or something.
You just have to notice that the skirmisher mob cannot be tanked. Therefore its the first target to be burned down.


EDIT: he clearly miss typed. Unless he bought "of stamina" greens from the AH he wouldnt be that high in hp with that ammount of def

[moremana]

His def is not good for heroics and you cant hold agg on the skirmishers, just have to stun/burn em as fast as you can! Fade on priest and bubble ftw! I heal that place on my priest with no problems.

[Deleted]

Taunt the skirmishers, nuke it before it resets aggro again.

[Clame]

I didn't read the whole post the first time. All I looked at was that 436 def.
I sure hope you use RF. Cause if ur not it's understandable that the healer takes aggro from the beginning.
But work on ur def tbh... Unless it was a typo and u have 536.

[K21Nova]

Note for new readers: The OP is crit immune in heroics; he has 536 defense, not 436.

Skirmishers are immune to taunt.

Stunlocking them once they dump aggro and switch targets is the only way to keep them from hitting, and killing, your squishies.

Also, critproof cap is 5.40% for heroic instances, 5.60% for raids (5% for equal level, +0.20% for every level above). Doesn't matter whether you get there through defense or through resilience, as you can add those together.

Goes without saying defense is what you need though.

535 defense (less than 700 rating) is what you need to be critproof in heroics (5.40%).

As far as I can see, paladins have no talents vs crits.

[Mandible]

it doesn't help to fade on skirmishers since they do fixate - which means they stick to one target for a set amount of time without changing (can't be taunted off). But seems it might be possible to dispell it.

So its only the bubble thats left or nuking them down before they get to anyone.

Sidenote - he didn't say that he was dying as a tank, only that adds were out of control.

[alucard2]

If your dps is dying to Pound (not impale, pound) they must REALLY learn how to get out of the way.
C'mon, unless you're tanking Anub'Arak and moving all around the place while twirling gracefully they shouldn't be getting hit by pound.

As for the threat issue, i admit i've never seen something like that happen, altough i had an pally tank that BUBBLED whenever his health was low, effectively wiping out the rest of the group -__-
The main problem in the fight are the Venomous Nerubians who Poison Bolt volley and make the healer's life miserable; and the "bat adds" that spawn in the third time Anub'Arak burrows, and it's somewhat of an gear check to the dps, if they can't dish out enough damage because of gear/skill (like the arms warrior that refused to use an 2h Tsteel because his Honed Cobalt Cleaver had more crit =.=) you're probably doomed.

Sadly, H AN isn't too kind with slow or dumb people, so pugging it tends to end up in humongous repair bills :3

[Vertue]

OMG TYPO it's a TYPO lol. Def is 536 five hundred thirty six. I have gear for 542, but I will have lower stam so I use Stam > Def gear for heroic. I know it heroic the Def cap is 535.

[K21Nova]

Sidenote - he didn't say that he was dying as a tank, only that adds were out of control.

As easy as WotLK is, no self-respecting tank goes to heroics without being 100% critproof. :S

Surely not with 436 defense. I'm starting to think though, that he made a typo, and meant 536.

EDIT: ...and just as I said it. Typo it was.

[Mandible]

Maybe not - but it wasn't the main issue

[Deleted]

Firstly the priest could have shackled the skirmisher.

And secondly if that priest hasnt figured out after two-three whipes that the skirmisher always comes for him in order to preemptivily protect himself...

Also the priest couldve tried mindvisioning all the way to the boss and then mark the skirmishers so it's easier for the dps to choose a primary target once you get there.

[K21Nova]

On the subject of the Skirmishers, if those are the ones giving you trouble, you can not taunt them once they change targets, so simply make the best attempt to stunlock them. You have your hammer, so that might buy you enough time.

I've personally never had trouble in AN with my guild, although they tell me they've wiped there in guild runs where I've not been the tank, so that leads me to believe stuns rock in that place.

Best tactic for Anub is to have your group converge at the foot of the slope every time Anub dives. All you need to do is remember to avoid the spikes from the floor, but everyone being in a nice group will draw the small adds to you.

Always ignore the small adds when the big ones, which come down the slope, are in play. Always concentrate on the venomous ones if there are both kinds.

[Vertue]

I didn't read the whole post the first time. All I looked at was that 436 def.
I sure hope you use RF. Cause if ur not it's understandable that the healer takes aggro from the beginning.
But work on ur def tbh... Unless it was a typo and u have 536.

Yea I always have RF up + BoS. Also in this particular run I was stunning them as much as I could. They can not be taunted definitly explained the priest ASAP deaths...

[Gog]

OK, first post here but I have hung around for a while so bear with me.

I play a tankadin too. You need to get your def capped, don't worry too much about stam initially. You do need around 530 or so def for heroics.

Anyway, first boss in H AN, skirmishers should be downed asap, HoJ them if they drop threat from you, then kill the casters and the watchers unless you are going for achievement. A /tar (healer name) /cast hand of protection macro is also useful.

For the final boss, it is really just a retard check. To avoid the pound, run straight through the boss as soon as he starts casting it. As long as everyone can avoid the spike, and you can pick up the elite adds and they are burnt down fast enough, it isn't hard at all. If even a pug can't defeat him, there isn't much hope for future raiding.

[Clame]

Yea I always have RF up + BoS. Also in this particular run I was stunning them as much as I could. They can not be taunted definitly explained the priest ASAP deaths...

This is prolly the weirdest thing I've ever heard then:P Anub'arak must have something against u mate:<