Desired Stats/ Hitcap, Crit cap. Etc.. for Ret.

[Sushi1091]

I have a quick question that if answered i think will benefit all. What is the Disered stats for a ret paladin to start of raiding?
IE)
DPS-
Crit %-
Hit %-
Haste(IDK friend said thats improtant i dont)-
Mana pool-
Health pool-
etc...

Appreciate your time

[Grimbold]

get as much STR as you can

[Sushi1091]

Unfortunately, Strength is not the only stat people are looking for when your trying to get in a raid. I'm just curious to what the baseline is for the higher up raids.

[Grimbold]

Well im mainly worry about Str , crit and Hit. Those are my prio atm.

Haste,not important as it might used to be, comes with t7. You might wanna add mana and HP pool to that aswell i guess.

As ret who runs around with all the gear he could've get, except for a cloak, im guessing my stats are prety ok for what i considering prio.

So with BoM on i have 4k AP , 33 % crit and about 220 hit, 18k HP and i dont remember my mana atm ^^

[Sushi1091]

Well right now im having problems with my gear cause im reading in the forums ret pallies pulling 3k deeps in raids and complaining that its low and im straining to maintain 2k any advice then. This is my gear as of now, I know the hit rating is ridauncleously high, but i cant seem to get rid off it :'(

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...n=Patatomasher

[Grimbold]

you seem to focus your gear on Hit rating. You have about 120 hit more then needed. Start collecting Str and crit gear.

[davep]

262 hit rating (8%) is what you need, then just get as much str and crit as possible

[Whoopzz]

Its tiring seeing these posts over and over again, why not use the search function or check a few pages back. You're bound to find what you need....

[Adamson]

I have gems for my meta. 2 blue ones. All the rest are 16str gems.

I almost completely ignore socket bonuses, except where it's convenient and can get my meta.

I've been raiding with 150 hit for about 3 weeks now, and I'm still topping the charts. I've been expertise capped, I've been hit capped, if I could afford itemization to have this much attack power AND expertise capped I would. but right now STR outweighs expertise/hit on almost every level it's not even funny.


below hit cap: Stack strength
Below expertise cap: Stack strength.

Pretty much always stack strength.

Expertise/hit/crit are nice "bonus" stats, but point for point, at any gear level strength/ap is always better.

[jasje]

a cap for a stat isnt there for fun its there cos it benefits your overall dps
so get your hit to 8% and expertise to 210(26) then work on Str+Crit

[iktankniet]

Its tiring seeing these posts over and over again, why not use the search function or check a few pages back. You're bound to find what you need....

[Deleted]

Well right now im having problems with my gear cause im reading in the forums ret pallies pulling 3k deeps in raids and complaining that its low and im straining to maintain 2k any advice then. This is my gear as of now, I know the hit rating is ridauncleously high, but i cant seem to get rid off it :'(

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...n=Patatomasher

No enchant on gloves and pants, no Eternal Belt Buckle on belt, wrong enchant on shoulders (go get Sons of Hodir rep ASAP!), several green items (hell, you can get better items than those even as quest rewards. Stop slacking and start working..)

[Adamson]

a cap for a stat isnt there for fun its there cos it benefits your overall dps
so get your hit to 8% and expertise to 210(26) then work on Str+Crit

8% hit isn't necessary. It's good if you can get it.

If I swapped out my obsidian greathelm for a spiked titansteel helm I'd lose damage.

Not gain damage.

[sillverhair]

I have a quick question that if answered i think will benefit all. What is the Disered stats for a ret paladin to start of raiding?
IE)
DPS-
Crit %-
Hit %-
Haste(IDK friend said thats improtant i dont)-
Mana pool-
Health pool-
etc...

Appreciate your time

DPS- irrelevant
Crit %- 25%
Hit %- 8.2% (269 rating)
Haste(IDK friend said thats improtant i dont)- irrelevant
Mana pool- irrelevant (as you have only ur base mana, every retri has same mana if their the same race)
Health pool- irrelevant (your not a tank, every gear has stamina, if you can get 23k buffed thats nice coz then u might survive patchwerk if the healers are slacking)
etc? get atleast 3k attack power

[Deathleech]

8% hit isn't necessary. It's good if you can get it.

If I swapped out my obsidian greathelm for a spiked titansteel helm I'd lose damage.

Not gain damage.

Ya, you would lose damage.. WHEN YOU MAKE CONTACT. However, missing = no damage so you tell me what's more important?

To answer the question you want to shoot for 263 hit (cap), around 30% crit, and then go all the rest into str/expertise. Armor pentration is nearly useless for paladins, and haste is far less valuable then these other stats.

http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t37843-r...d_wrath_3_0_a/

[Adamson]

When you raid with 150 hit and miss 3 times an entire boss fight I think you'll be okay.

Patchwerk WWS last week I missed 0 times on patchwerk with 150 hit rating.

[eodem]

When you raid with 150 hit and miss 3 times an entire boss fight I think you'll be okay.

Patchwerk WWS last week I missed 0 times on patchwerk with 150 hit rating.

When maximizing (itemizing) your DPS, you usually don't want to roll a dice on missing. One event may be 0 misses, but another might be alot more.
I agree that you don't have to gem for anything other then str, but hit is valuable to an extend making you itemize for it.

Just my 2 cents.

[davep]

Head - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44006
Neck - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40065
Shoulders - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40578
Cloak - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40403
Chest - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40574
Wrists - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40330
Hands - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40575
Waist - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40317
Legs - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40577
Feet - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40742
Rings - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40075 / http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40474
Trinkets - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42987 / http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37166
Weapon - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40384

All +16 Strength gems except in Head and Wrists put +8 Str/+12 Stam plus put http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41285 for Meta.

This will give you over 3.6k AP, over 32% crit and 8.02% hit. If you don't care about being hit capped replace these items.
Neck - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44664
Feet - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40591
Ring - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43993 (Replace Surge Needle Ring)
Trinket - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40684 (Replace Sphere of Red Dragon's Blood)

[greatrichie]

Hit Cap is really not as important as it used to be. A miss every now is ok when your attacks land for so much more. Is it nice to be hit capped? Yes. Is it required? No. At least not with the gear available at this point. However, I'm sure there will be the typical army of hit cap sheep flowing in after me.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying disregard hit completely, however, if you trade a piece with more str for a piece with more hit, you are losing DPS.

[eclipse212]

most of those that still say it´s necessary to get hit/expertise cap base their argumentation on bad luck streaks that have nothing to do with statistics.

for expample, when I replaced black ice with betrayer of humanity and went to malygos right after, dropped way below the hit cap and missed the first 2 judgements right away. was I pissed? yes. but I still ended up doing ~150 dps more than the week before, because all my other hits did so much more damage.

"I say you need hit/exp cap because I think it´s needed" isn´t a valid argument. maths is. maths favor STR everytime. live with it.

if you gear up reasonably, it´s almost impossible not to pick up enough hit and exp to do well, even with their severe underrepresentation on our T7. if you wear green items of the bear, that´s your own problem.