Why are people complaining so much about vehicles?

[Copain]

I, for one, am looking forward to the Flame Leviathan fight. It looks fun and it actually makes sense that the big bad guys would have people protecting them rather than opening the doors for people to come kill them >_>;.

It's one fight where you get vehicles, and not the old vehicles, newer and (from what I've seen) less clunky ones.

Complaints I've seen:
"A fresh 80 is just as good as me in full 25 man endgame gear! This is just a free loot thing!"
No not really, the vehicles scale with your gear. As in they get stronger if your gear rocks so you have an easier time. The PTR Flame Leviathan is a TEST of the fight, so yah for the -TOP- guilds they can do it with less than 10, but once it comes out it's going to be all fixed up.

"I'm throwing all I've learned about my class out the window"
Man, it must suck having to hit more than your typical three buttons, or God forbid MOVE.

"This is just a Gimmick"
Half the game's content could be considered a "Gimmick" It's just something fun and new that they came up with.



I'm open to more complaints if someone wants to post one, but in all honesty I can't see why people can't just have FUN. I LOVE seeing stuff in raids, and like the fights, but after I do the same thing over and over it gets rather boring just standing still or moving occasionally as a tank Pally. I'm looking forward to riding around on the Motorcycle and having fun and fighting this awesome fight.

[thamos]

its new people dont understand it, i look forward to it and at least bliz mad it scale to to gear lvl

[zelestial]

People complain about vehicles for the same reason they complain about Heroic Occulus.

It's too much to ask them to learn something other than their own class AKA something they are used to.

Then again, a large portion of players never fully understand their class or even the bulk of it anyway, so it might be too much to expect them to understand something extra on the side like vehicles.

Long story short, people are too focused getting epics and not so much on earning them. Learning a vehicle is too much work, apparently.

[Herecius]

This, all of it!

I agree, most of the people that complain about vehicles are, honestly, the ones that for some reason can't stand the idea of having to learn a new mechanic.

[Shaamwow]

I think alot of the fanfare had to do with the craptastic drake portion of the Malygos fight.

I expected more, the drake thing took away from the fight.

People are easily swayed. Such a bad implementation of "vehicles" caused quite a bit of an aversion to more of the same in this case.

I don't have time for the PTR at the moment but I'm more than willing to give Blizz another go at implementing fun vehicles before I cry foul, and I remain optimistic that they have/will.

[Opatha]

*Nod Nod* That right there pretty much sums it all up. The drake part of Maly was pretty wicked because no matter how much gear I got it still seemed to come down to a little bit of luck with the drake. The scaling with gear should help solve this one complaint I have with fights of this nature.

[ccbutch]

On the plus side if the fight is tuned right you won't see Uldaur pugs, at least not to the extent that you saw naxx pugs. Seriously, how many random pugs of H Occulus have you seen that worked. I've never been in a pug that didn't fall apart on the last boss, Occulus was a guild 5-man.

I didn't mind the pugging of Naxx personally, I'm just hoping that people will stop making the annoying "naxx pugs, welfare epics, noobs in purples arrrggh I is pissed at the world" posts that take up so much forum space.

[Forumone]

It's simple guys, I didn't roll a drake or a steam tank for the same reason my rogue is still level 17 and I have three level 80's I don't enjoy it. If I did then vehicles would be fine but if I wanted that I would go and play something like "space cowboys".

To put it mildly they are buggy as hell too and don't tend to relate well to healing interfaces.

[Champloo]

Vehicles are boring, slow moving, annoying.

You chose your class to PLAY YOUR CLASS.The way you play your class suites your personality- these vehicles do not.

[Emochamp]

The MAIN reason why people hate vehicles is due to the fact that you spend countless hours perfecting your character which becomes "useless" on certain encounters.

Having said that, the new Boss in Ulduar; Flame Leviathan is pretty fun.

[Champloo]

Flame leviathan...fun...?

You have 2 people kite him, 1 person put oil slicks in front of him while doing as much damage as possible in your clanky vehicles... Lame fight entirely.

[Paper]

Truth be told, I was sure that they'd come through and impress me with this one.

However, scaling the vehicles by item levels? Dumb. I actually believed that blizzard was going to put the time in to figure out a system by which the vehicles scaled based off of stats pertaining to specific classes and builds or something. Nope, just slap on any combination of high item level gear and faceroll to success.

[Offhand]

Vehicles are poorly implemented, move slow, and have all of three buttons.

That's why most people aren't looking forward to them.

I've yet to see them be implemented correctly, I hope they do but as it stands they're just a barrier between us and the rest of Ulduar.

[SFJake]

I could be playing a 80 mage,

or warlock,

or druid,

or rogue,

or anything, and its the same damn thing all over again while in vehicles.

Not.

Fun.

[Jushak]

To sum my experiences about the people who whine about vehicles:

a) They are usually people who never respec. One such example is a person I know who, even when switching class, adopted the same role on his new class (tank).
b) While not necessarily bad, none of the whiners I would classify as "top players" even in my limited pool of people I play with. I play in content-clearing guild at the moment to clarify roughly what kind of people I play with. Yes, I know it isn't any kind of real feat right now.
c) Utterly suck with vehicles, mainly because they are not interested in learning how they work, no matter how simple they are.
edit: d) They are the people who whine most about OTHER classes because they have fuck-all knowledge about them.

Me, personally, I like vehicles. I don't expect siege tank to be fast & smooth - in fact I'd expect them to be clunkier. Malygos fight I'm usually near the top in DPS even though I spend a lot of time on P1 dealing with sparks, mainly because I'm by far the best drake user in the guild (not that it's hard...). I had no problem with Oculus - when I finally managed to convince people to go there I did the last boss the hardest way there is - 5 ambers - on my first visit. Obviously we wiped a couple of times to get our timing right, but who cares? Do it naked and you don't even get repair bills.

To sum up my opinion: Vehicles are fun side-attraction. I don't wish that them to be "the main attraction" (i.e., whole raid instance with only vehicles, even or especially if there were new vehicles with each boss) but I sure as hell don't mind occassional boss-fight with vehicles.

[Offhand]

Well, you're entitled to your opinion. You're wrong, but you're entitled to that.

[NotValidAnymore]

I don't get it either.

Slow? Of course, they're bloody tanks and stuff! Of course they're slow!

It's not the "class" you chose to play? Well, wow, it's horrible to get to be different once in a while. :P

And sure, the fight may be easy, but it's different. Different is good. I mean, sure, it's fun to play your class. But sometimes it's pretty fun to play things in a different way too without having to use days leveling a new toon to level 80.

Seriously, people complain for nothing these days.

[Fjdn]

I could not aim closer or further away. It was locked and my settings were completly the same as my partymembers. No addons,not a single thing.

I usually do top 3 in the third phase on malygos and such,but vehicles are awful.

[Ugrana]

anyone who complains about any sort of vehicle in WotLK probably never liked/saw Teron Gorefriend. If you have, you would just be quiet and hope they dont bring those mechanics back to haunt us.

[Slim_Jim]

Cant wait to get to that encounter, it looks so fun if you think about it.

Something different, for a change.
Whiners, go raid Molten Core or smthing, there's definitely no changing aspects there.