The story with shockadins

[raziel083]

So from what i understand... the shockadin spec is dead basically. In trying a few combos, i can see you really do lose the bigger beneficial talents of the 2 trees....holy and ret. Heres my question really....what are they really...spell caster? Mind you it would be a pve spec, so i'm not gonna have repentance, but i will have AoW and JoTW for repl, something i'd be bringing to the raid. I'd also be bringing off heals/dps as well. For the most part i believe the gear i have currently would be pretty good, but i really dont know, i was thinking of fooling around with it when dual speccing comes out. Thoughts? ideas? Hell even plain disagreement really. I'm stating mere facts that i can see but i've never tried it. I'm holy btw. The biggest argument i do see is y bring something thats half ass at both rather than something thats optimal in one. But then again i can see this becoming a dps holyspell cast if mabe you stacked spell hit as well. I dunno if i'm talkin outta my ass let me know..especially if u've tried it since talent revamps.

Oh...and now excorism has become a useable spell against all mobs....can be added to the rotation....judge/hs/our version of shieldbash cuzidont know the name of it/excorism, i guess somewhere throw consecrate too.

here's the spec i came up with http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...0&version=9733

[Depth]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...0&version=9733

there u go

*EDIT* For pvp of course...

[raziel083]

the fact that you didn't bother bashing me gives me hope and convinces me a bit more to invest in this spec. heres your version tweaked a bit more thanx for catching purifying power in holy tree...cant believe i missed that one. this one has new glyphs too...mind you more so offensive type glyphs http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...3&version=9733

[raziel083]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...0&version=9733

there u go

*EDIT* For pvp of course...

yeah it looked more like a pvp spec...thanx for the idea....i just tweaked urs or revamped it alil for pve

[Depth]

i'd use these glyphs

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...3&version=9733

[raziel083]

oh yeah..def much better.....i really wonder if this can be pulled off...

[Depth]

why not just go with one spec? you taking the major benefit from each with a shockadin. you can throw out crappy off heals and do some garbage DPS. why?

thats y i wouldnt specc shockadin.. bc its not rly useful atm.. all other classes/specs have such a burst an much more utilitys.. and a shokadin... well... dies ? ^^

[raziel083]

why not just go with one spec? you taking the major benefit from each with a shockadin. you can throw out crappy off heals and do some garbage DPS. why?

I've already stated that argument in my original post. Its something i'm lookin to try and....u know what....with the homogenization of stats and gear as far as sp goes, it could work as a pure dps spec....the only thing it really lacks is spell hit...which means sacrifce of other possibilities...but, yeah

[raziel083]

thats y i wouldnt specc shockadin.. bc its not rly useful atm.. all other classes/specs have such a burst an much more utilitys.. and a shokadin... well... dies ? ^^

I def see both ur points....which is y it definitly...most definitly would be a retarded mains spec. But your argument/statement seems to be more focused towards the pvp aspect of the game. I'm not really focused on that. Pvp is about cookie cutter dps/burst or healing/survival specs so it def isn't good for that...i'm focusing on the pve part of it...raids and such.

[Horn]

PvE dps id try something like this
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...&version=9733#
As of 3.1 idk how well the exorcism glyph would preform but w/e. With Divine plea keeping mana up *shouldn't* be a huge concern but with the lack of hit rating spell power plate/mail, some hit trinkets would be advised: Enjoy 8)

[Depth]

mhm yeah shockadin could work with the next patch... in PVE more likely

[raziel083]

PvE dps id try something like this
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...&version=9733#
As of 3.1 idk how well the exorcism glyph would preform but w/e. With Divine plea keeping mana up *shouldn't* be a huge concern but with the lack of hit rating spell power plate/mail, some hit trinkets would be advised: Enjoy 8)

Appreciate the idea, your spec is similar to my original but it lacks so the newer one is probably better pve wise....As far s the excorism glyph if you look at the ones on the new talent calculator page i believe they are updated to 3.1 so if thats the case it should be good.

[Elementium]

Hey if you can make a decent spec, post some recount stuff and grats. Otherwise rets not so bad, people should suck it up and not make such a big deal about melee.

[Dedweight]

One question about all these builds being suggested, why E4E? Especially if this is supposed to be a PVE build?

E4E would be negligible in most cases as you shouldn't be getting hit if your tanks and other healers are doing their job properly and in most cases your going to die if you do get hit. I personally would move those points from E4E and place them into Imp Might for a little more raid versatility. Your not always going to have the benefit of a Ret Paladin or Fury Warrior in every instance, especially not in 5/10 man content.

[canobil]

If we are talking pve spec i think i would run whit this spec/gylphs:

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...&version=9733#

I took purifing power for the reduced cd on exorsism since we now can use this on every one.
And then just use vengence/crouption, keep conseraction up and spam holy shock/judge/exorsim on their cd's. I think u could do a decent damage whit this.

And then mix your gear up whit some elemental gear for some hit.

[Lythra]

In all honesty, shockadin is NOT a PvE spec. The concept of the spec is not of dps. Major dps classes like mages don't have 6 seconds cooldown on their Fireball, or Frostfireball, whatever floats their boat. Paladins, at least very much so as shockadin, are very bound down by the cooldowns of all their damaging moves. As Shockadin you'll NOT put out dps worth bringing to a raid.

The contept of the spec is more PvP related, as being able to change from defensive, to offensive throwing up a serie of burst damage, while their main role generally still is to keep alive their partner.
I cannot see Shockadin ever being a valid raiding spec, and as far as i'm aware of Blizzard don't intent this to ever happen either.

As I already stated, as Shockadin what you do is generally 2v2 arenas, in where you generally would want to play with a partner focused upon heavy burst damage, while controling the enemy player that you are not attacking with CC. Basiclly what you do as Shockadin is healing, and once you get a chance to inflict serious damage, nuke the target, which your partner focus upon. To either put stress on the enemy healer, or help your partner to kill one of the two dps at the opponent's team. While yor prioty still is keeping alive youself and your partner.

[Lythra]

However, if you do wish to be a paladin who attempt to do "dps" with the holy talent tree as focus, i would probably suggest you went for something samiliar to this:

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...0&version=9733

Simply attempting to get most possible damage boosting talents for your "dps". Still, i would NOT advice you to attempt doing so. Paladins have one talent tree designed for damage, and that is not Holy.
So my advice would be either go deep holy, or go deep ret.
And if you do not wish to do so, go PvP as shockadin spec.
Ultimately, in PvE shockadin is just an attempt to do two things at once, and i don't think i've ever seen that work out for the better. So, do what the talent trees that they are designed to and you'll actually be useful.

[Copain]

Shockadin isn't a good PVE spec.

You won't deal as much damage as a Ret Pally, and won't heal as good as a Holy Pally. It sounds good in theroy, but it isn't.

The Only reason shockadins truely exist IIRC, is because it lets you level easier while being a healer.

[Firecrest]

As stated by others, there is no good Shockadin raiding spec. And there likely never will be. The reason is because two Shockadins do not equal the combined healing and dps output of a Ret and a Holy.

Shockadin + Shockadin < Ret + Holy

And given that, why would any raid leader bring a Shockadin to a raid where there are far far better pure spec options? If ever two Shockadins could fill two raid spots better than one Ret and one Holy, something would be seriously wrong and you could expect Blizzard to swiftly make changes so that would not be the case.

The only thing Shockadin is useable for is solo PvP content. World PvP or Battlegrounds where you don't have a healbot are about all I can think of. But even then, it doesn't do it better than Ret or Holy.

Ret wins 1v1 PvP by putting out tons of damage and a little bit of healing. Holy wins 1v1 by putting out tons of healing and a little bit of damage. Shockadin does less than average healing and damage. If you quantify it, you could say that Ret is a 9 on damage and a 2 on healing where Holy is a 9 on healing and a 2 on damage. Shockadin would be like a 4 on both.

Don't get me wrong though. If working with this kind of stuff is fun for you, playing around with a Shockadin spec is probably pretty exciting. But don't ever expect it to be a "real" spec. Especially in a raid environment where, if you're not performing at your absolute best, you're letting 24 other people down.

[Offhand]

As someone said in an earlier thread. By all means enjoy the shockadin spec, but don't expect to enjoy it with other people.