We Restoration Druids have right to cloth gear... or?

[iLive]

Hi people...

In my guild, we have that rule, saying that you can't as a leather user need on cloth, if there already are a cloth user who needs it. I don't like that rule as a Restoration Druid. It might be true that cloth users can only use cloth while Restoration Druids can use leather and cloth, so they don't have the same posibilities like us, and thats why they deserve priority on cloth, but the best gear out there for a Restoration Druid are cloth. I can never get that best in slot items, before all the other cloth users have them (which is never in my situation, because it first of all not drops always and chance on 1 drop each week with alot cloth users in guild are like 0% for me to get it). I think that is wrong taking the posibilities for Restoration Druid to get the best gear they can get. So thats why I would like to write a letter to my Guild Master and hope he can understand the situation. Blizzard has made those items, and I won't say that they are only made for cloth users but Restoration Druids aswell. Besides I don't care if I get more armor or not, and I guess Blizzard thought the same when making gear.

Tell me your opinion, but remember to look at it from a cloth users point of view too (ARGUES).

[Argarock]

3 kinds of gear; healing gear, tanking gear and Dps gear

If its healing gear, no matter if its cloth, leather, mail or plate (wanted to include everybody ;D)
if its better then the one you alrdy got, you should be able roll on it / take it

Gear that increases your stats is gear that increases your stats..

personaly I stopped putting High armour > stats
a long time ago >_>

[Daez]

Find a new guild.

/end thread

Seriously, in my guild its not even questioned that if its the best in slot for a druid (even boomkins) then they have every right to it that a cloth caster has. Druids didn't ask for pretty much every bis (there are some exclusions to this) to be cloth it just happened that way, so they should have access to their best in slots regardless of rather they can wear leather or not.

Personally, in the case of druids I would like to see them make leather armor a deep talent in the feral tree and stop making leather caster gear altogether to end this argument once and for all. If you aren't feral you don't need leather as a druid.

[milkman]

I think this is a problem blizzard has yet to solve. Warriors still wear leather for dps because it is normally best in slot for them and isn't poorly itemized for dps like plate is. The same with you guys apparently. This is more a problem that blizzard hasn't figured out yet. They need to make it more beneficial via extra benefits for wearing your class armor. In other words, more benefits for higher armor rating in talent trees would solve the problem.

[chunx0r]

I would politely talk to you guild leaders and tell them while it makes sense for most gear to give clothies preference but for BiS gear it should doesn't really make sense.

Idea being with none BiS gear you will have a chance at leather gear that is roughly the same, which the clothies can't take. However BiS is BiS and your not going to replace it.

[wambat132]

Having a druid roll on cloth gear is sort of like having a T7 token saying like:
"Class: Druid, Mage, Rogue, DeathKnight, and also Warlock, Hunter if they're more important or want it more"
The cloth wearers can only roll on one type of gear... cloth. Letting druids roll on it too is taking that away from them. They can't roll on leather, so druids kind of get twice as much gear to choose from. If no clothies need it then of course a druid can roll on it for an upgrade.
You have to be fair to all the members in a raid. Just because it's an upgrade for you doesn't mean you should get to take it from another class that only has that piece of gear to choose from. Yes the best in slot might be cloth but it's not like it's light years ahead in stats as the second best in slot. You can heal just as well if you have all "second best in slot" items cause they're not much worse then the best in slot. An extra 3 spirit or 6 SP isn't going to drastically change your healing.

[Daez]

On a side note...

Just be glad you aren't a boomkin. Even with talents that reduce hit rating needed its next to impossible to hit cap with leather. You need every bis non-armor piece (rings, trinkets, cloak, weapon and neck) to hit cap a druid without wearing any cloth at the 213 level.

Actually I think when I did the list out to prove an argument I still ended up gemming for about 30 hit with out taking a single piece of cloth gear.

[anyaka21]

Phail guild is phail

[Shabada]

I usually see it like this: In pugs you leave the cloth to the clothies so you don't look like a total loot whore.

During guild runs I usually roll on whatever the fuck it is I want since I have the most DKP.

[Kamos]

Just because it's an upgrade for you doesn't mean you should get to take it from another class

OP clearly doesnt understand this, taking signet of manifested pain :s

[Jurik]

Having a druid roll on cloth gear is sort of like having a T7 token saying like:
"Class: Druid, Mage, Rogue, DeathKnight, and also Warlock, Hunter if they're more important or want it more"

Terrible analogy, warlock/hunter gets absolutely no use out of a druid token.

The cloth wearers can only roll on one type of gear... cloth. Letting druids roll on it too is taking that away from them.

No, giving it directly to druids would be "taking it away from them". Allowing them both to roll would be distributing it between them. Well-itemized leather caster is hardly plentiful, so restricting trees to rolling on leather basically is punishing trees for access to leather, just as much as allowing them to roll on cloth is punishing priests for not have access to leather.

As you said, you have to be fair to all the members in a raid. Clothies can heal just as well if you have all "second best in slot" items cause they're not much worse then the best in slot. An extra 3 spirit or 6 SP isn't going to drastically change your healing. So let the tree compete fairly for the BIS gear.

[Daez]

Having a druid roll on cloth gear is sort of like having a T7 token saying like:
"Class: Druid, Mage, Rogue, DeathKnight, and also Warlock, Hunter if they're more important or want it more"

How the hell do you get this? You have to realize that leather gear gives the druid NO additional benefit in a raid at all. When you show me the additional benefit a druid gets from leather in a raid you can start telling me a pve druid shouldn't be allowed to roll on cloth gear.

The cloth wearers can only roll on one type of gear... cloth. Letting druids roll on it too is taking that away from them. They can't roll on leather, so druids kind of get twice as much gear to choose from. If no clothies need it then of course a druid can roll on it for an upgrade.

All members of the raid being equall, which lets face it they normally aren't when priest are oom, mages can't do the dps of a warrior, and warlocks are normally clueless, the person that gets the biggest upgrade from the gear should take the gear regardless of what type of armor the gear is. Druids didn't ask for leather gear to suck worse than cloth gear in almost every regard, Blizzard just kind of did it anyways with very few exceptions.

You have to be fair to all the members in a raid.

This is true. Which is why you should allow ALL members of your raid to get best in slot gear. When you aren't allowing someone to get best in slot gear simply because they can wear a different armor type then you aren't being fair to them.

Just because it's an upgrade for you doesn't mean you should get to take it from another class that only has that piece of gear to choose from. Yes the best in slot might be cloth but it's not like it's light years ahead in stats as the second best in slot.

In most cases yes it is light years ahead. Also, in most cases the second best in slot isn't leather its still cloth. The other class can chose the second best in slot too. If you are carrying your weight in a raid then the raid should have no problem gearing you before that newb priest that dies in every void zone simply because they can wear cloth only.

You can heal just as well if you have all "second best in slot" items cause they're not much worse then the best in slot. An extra 3 spirit or 6 SP isn't going to drastically change your healing.

No, but you should have access to the best gear possible to you if you do your job. If you are in a guild that thinks anything else then they are either subtlety telling you that you are not carrying your weight or your guild leader is probably a cloth wearing loot whore.

[Daez]

OP clearly doesnt understand this, taking signet of manifested pain :s

Signet of Manifested pain surprisingly sucks for a druid. This is a bad example.

[Lark]

Whenever you go to yourself "I'm going to make a thread about loot!" ask yourself if the policy you're upset with has to do with your crappy loot system and crappy guild. If it is the former, don't bother posting, because seriously - Fail guild is fail.

Bad guilds survive on people like you not moving up in the world.

[Daez]

ask yourself if the policy you're upset with has to do with your crappy loot system and crappy guild.

Bad guilds survive on people like you not moving up in the world.

While both of these statements are true, if people stopped posting stuff like this what would the rest of us have to ridicule while we post? This thread just provided me with 10 minutes of enjoyment.

[Kamos]

Can someone link the cloth BiS items for resto druids?

If theyre just 226 items with a 226 leather equivalent, i'd say fair enough. 226 cloth vs 213 leather is a different matter, thats not poor itemisation, thats just a higher itemlevel.

What happens in ulduar? 226 leather items drop, druids have 226 cloth, item gets de'd.

Or,

Cloth users get cloth items, new 226 leather goes to a druid, biggest upgrade for everyone.

Same thing applies for torch of holy fire for dps classes

[Spots]

On a side note...

Just be glad you aren't a boomkin. Even with talents that reduce hit rating needed its next to impossible to hit cap with leather. You need every bis non-armor piece (rings, trinkets, cloak, weapon and neck) to hit cap a druid without wearing any cloth at the 213 level.

Actually I think when I did the list out to prove an argument I still ended up gemming for about 30 hit with out taking a single piece of cloth gear.

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...agrand&n=Spots

Thats me. Notice the only cloth I have is the belt, which has no hitrating.
Not sure if it is all 213 ilevel, but it's not that bad if I say so myself.

Having a druid roll on cloth gear is sort of like having a T7 token saying like:
"Class: Druid, Mage, Rogue, DeathKnight, and also Warlock, Hunter if they're more important or want it more"
The cloth wearers can only roll on one type of gear... cloth. Letting druids roll on it too is taking that away from them. They can't roll on leather, so druids kind of get twice as much gear to choose from. If no clothies need it then of course a druid can roll on it for an upgrade.
You have to be fair to all the members in a raid. Just because it's an upgrade for you doesn't mean you should get to take it from another class that only has that piece of gear to choose from. Yes the best in slot might be cloth but it's not like it's light years ahead in stats as the second best in slot. You can heal just as well if you have all "second best in slot" items cause they're not much worse then the best in slot. An extra 3 spirit or 6 SP isn't going to drastically change your healing.

Previous guild, we used DKP. The one with the most DKP got the item if he wanted.
Most DKP = Been there lots of times and didn't take much loot. Much 'fairer' system then just automatically passing cause you have a clothy in shite gear.

Current guild uses DKP also. The one that bids the most gets it. If you bid the most, you have been to many raids, been there alot for the raid and didn't take that much loot and the clothies don't really want it that much. Again a 'fairer' system then just handing them to the poor sod along for the free epix.


Also your comment that that class only has that piece of gear to choose from is epic fail. Look at the loot tables. Clothies have so much more gear to choose from then caster druids.


I see some people still have the same mentality that was common in Vanilla WoW......

[Spots]

Can someone link the cloth BiS items for resto druids?

If theyre just 226 items with a 226 leather equivalent, i'd say fair enough. 226 cloth vs 213 leather is a different matter, thats not poor itemisation, thats just a higher itemlevel.

What happens in ulduar? 226 leather items drop, druids have 226 cloth, item gets de'd.

Or,

Cloth users get cloth items, new 226 leather goes to a druid, biggest upgrade for everyone.

Same thing applies for torch of holy fire for dps classes

You know, I tried this once. I passed on all cloth feet and bracers since I was waiting for the drops from RoS in BT. I got them 1 week before 3.0, while very alt, his brother, sister and mother already had the cloth equivalents.

If it's better then I have and I have the DKP to spend, I'm taking the item. End of story.


Edit:

Was just checking on my gear and BiS.

Gloves have top 2 pieces as cloth
Bracers have top 6 pieces as cloth
Belt has top 9 pieces as cloth
Feet has top 3 pieces as cloth.

Non set gear BiS seems to be cloth. Nice huh?

[Figoment]

my guild does this on cloth healing gear Priests(of the holy variety)>Druids>locks and mages who decide they want it> resto shammys/holy pallys because cloth healing gear has spirit on it

[Kamos]

You know, I tried this once. I passed on all cloth feet and bracers since I was waiting for the drops from RoS in BT. I got them 1 week before 3.0, while very alt, his brother, sister and mother already had the cloth equivalents.

If it's better then I have and I have the DKP to spend, I'm taking the item. End of story.

That doesn't make sense, you passed cloth upgrades for alts?

Well, nobody to blame but yourself for that.