Prot Paladin the new superior healer in 2v2?

[Shrizz]

I recently installed the test. I was wondering what specc paladins should have in the upcoming patch, I always wanted to specc some holy / prot like, but it didn't work in s5.
But on test I tried it with the new silence. I came up with 19-52-0 as one of the best speccs.
Doing 9k FoL on my self in PvP gear, 2250 spellpower, 22k HP. It seems like it is very usefull. Mana is no concern because blizzard added the refresh on divine plea every time you hit with an attack.
There only is a little minus with this specc: No Holy Shock, but again FoL is critting 8-9k.

Haven't tested holy yet, but it doesn't look suprising good in patch 3.1.
What do you think?

[trophy]

You're an idiot?

[Deleted]

I think that if you use FoL and keep refreshing your DP you'll crit heal for 3.5 k... GG!

[Shrizz]

No, no, no.
Divine plea shouldent be up all the time, could be used for some quick mana regen.
And I am critting 4.5k FoL with Divine Plea up. A single FoL crit almost heals 50% of my HP, while having alot of CC breaks to get away and fire of a FoL. Avengers shield, HoJ (20 sec CD), proberly going to use Seal of Justice with all the melee abilities which gives more stun (which doesen't share dimishing returns with HoJ).
Try the specc before you comment it, it works suprising good compared what people I've met would have belived.

[Sanguissa]

And I am critting 4.5k FoL with Divine Plea up

wat

[Morzita]

FoL libram + Touched by Light I think i will have around 2500 spd with my pvp gear... and increase amount healed by your critical heals for 30%.

But no instant heals, so i dont think it will be superior...

[apokteino]

you cannot do 2s without HS. period. without an instant heal (on a 5 sec cd no less!) you will lose.
for 3s and 5s your spec becomes more viable depending on the comp.

[pfunkmort]

Can you link a talent calculator with your spec that you're thinking about? I'm sort of curious and messing around with the idea (as a prot paladin) of using my second spec for PVP, but if I can do it even remotely viably as prot, I think I might try it.

Not looking for something to just carbon copy, just someone else's ideas about it - and how you get such high healing numbers.

[Shrizz]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...0&version=9767

No instant heal is not too good, but with Hand of Sacrifice and the 40% Divine Guardian, Aura Mastery and bubble should help alot. It is four rounds of (almost) imunity. Seal of Justice is actually very powerfull with this specc, you will have alot more time just running around without casting spells which gives you the time for auto hitting the oppenents.

[Deleted]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...0&version=9767

No instant heal is not too good, but with Hand of Sacrifice and the 40% Divine Guardian, Aura Mastery and bubble should help alot. It is four rounds of (almost) imunity. Seal of Justice is actually very powerfull with this specc, you will have alot more time just running around without casting spells which gives you the time for auto hitting the oppenents.

Thats a stupid way to skill ...

I had the Idea of using Touched by the light ~3 weeks ago.
I come up with something like this : http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...0&version=9767

In Chardev i reach in Full S5 Gear ~26k Life 16k Mana 2400 Spelldmg.
I'm a Retri after all, but i thought of this to use as my secondary spec.

mfg

PS: First Post here and not my Primary Language :>

[jneboon]

you cannot do 2s without HS. period. without an instant heal (on a 5 sec cd no less!) you will lose.
for 3s and 5s your spec becomes more viable depending on the comp.

if u are bad like this guy...just dont post...sure its a viable thing...prot/holy or prot/ret with healing gear will be pretty good...specially in 2v2 http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...rfist&n=Gvelol

or smth like this http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...0&version=9767

im not sure if the points in holy are worthy...but nekronox...if u go into prot...pick the avenger shield ffs

[Ghul]

holy shit, this dude almost has 2900sp on fol. damn that must be hitting so hard

[Shrizz]

Thats a stupid way to skill ...

I had the Idea of using Touched by the light ~3 weeks ago.
I come up with something like this : http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...0&version=9767

In Chardev i reach in Full S5 Gear ~26k Life 16k Mana 2400 Spelldmg.
I'm a Retri after all, but i thought of this to use as my secondary spec.

mfg

PS: First Post here and not my Primary Language :>

That specc is not viable in arena or in PvP
You gain: Divine Favor, Pure of heart, 1% crit, 6% crit with holy light (almost useless).

You lose: Avengers shield (If they stand close enough it is 2-3 targets dazed for 10 seconds and silenced for 3 seconds + burst)
Guarded by the light (Divine plea refreshes its duration every time you do a melee hit and 6% less spelldmg taken).
3% less dmg taken.
20 sec less CD on HoJ
20% less melee attack speed for oppenents
1 second longer seal of justice stun.
Hammer of Righteous
Holy shield (Rogue Killer)
10% damage (One handed weapon-specialization)
Blessing of sanctuary (even more rogue fun)


If you still prefere you specc then go ahead with it, it won't work, trust me.

[Shamnix]

I tested this out with Shrizz on test server, and I find him unkillable as Death Knight ;( Avenger's shield is really neat for kiting and so is the 20 seconds CD on HoJ. Seal of justice is annoying like hell too.

[rathok]

no instant heals=dead...

[Shamnix]

no instant heals=dead...

Did you try it?

[defdef]

This could work, but only in 2's and then only because of the massive control that it allows you. I am considering this with an arms war in 3.1.
There's a lot of naysayers, but I play on PTR a lot and I really think this would work with the right partner in 2's. Don't underestimate how much control this spec would bring to the table.

[pfunkmort]

Thanks Shrizz. I'll look at it and all the others posted here. I'm not a hater, if I don't like what you're doing, or if I find something I think is better, I'll let you know, but the hate spam isn't constructive.

I'm surprised you replied at all, but awesome! Always good to see someone else's take on things before I spec half cocked and miss something.

Cheers.

[apokteino]

if u are bad like this guy...just dont post...sure its a viable thing...prot/holy or prot/ret with healing gear will be pretty good...specially in 2v2 http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...rfist&n=Gvelol

or smth like this http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...0&version=9767

im not sure if the points in holy are worthy...but nekronox...if u go into prot...pick the avenger shield ffs

you're right... i suck at arena...

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...ak&n=Apokteino


i said it before and i'll say it again... this spec is simply not viable b/c you don't have shock (which gets better in 3.1 and is also enhanced by your pvp set bonus). 1v1 duels mean nothing when it comes to arena. without shock you totallly gimp your kiting and your LoSing ability. i know i said earlier it may be more viable in 3s or 5s... but thinkin it through you can't realistically hope to do good without lights grace and the additional healing you get through the holy tree. and don't ask me if i've tried it- the answer is no. i don't have to to realize it would not work in arena. i don't have to try 24/24/23 to know it would suck ass.

[Shrizz]

I've actually tested it several times in 2v2, it turns out be be quite good, but you need to be quick with the sacred shield every time they make a switch. It absorbs more with prot specc and almost everything bellow 35% HP with Ardent Defender.
You need to team up with a class with a few but powerfull survivor cooldowns or alot of heals / high HP. A retri paladin would be good to team up with imo.

But season 6 is right around the corner, we will see how it works out there.